Monstrous Extremities--Cripple Movement?


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Monstrous extremities: "You change one of the extremities of the creature touched—arms or legs only—into another shape of approximately the same size and mass. You can choose a tentacle, a hoof, or a wing.

The subject must take approximately 10 minutes to familiarize itself with the function and MOVEMENT of the new extremity to use it properly. These new forms do not allow the subject to fly, run faster, or swim better; however, they do act as natural weapons of the appropriate type, and the subject can use them to make secondary attacks while making attacks with weapons as a full-attack action. The secondary attacks are made using the creature's base attack bonus –5 and adding only 1/2 the creature's Strength bonus on damage rolls. The subject cannot hold a weapon or use any item that would ordinarily fit into the slot of the changed extremity. The subject can receive the benefits of this spell multiple times."

Suppose you are fighting a bipedal enemy. And you use monstrous extremities to change one of his legs into a wing. This seems perfectly RAW looking at above. (Suppose he failed his will save.)

Further suppose that 10 minutes have not passed, so that he has not been able to take advantage of: "The subject must take approximately 10 minutes to familiarize itself with the function and MOVEMENT of the new extremity to use it properly."

Is the target now unable to move? It seems like RAW they are unable to move. Bipedal creatures cannot move on just one leg, and they have not spent 10 minutes to get accustomed to how to move when one of their legs is now a wing.


Bipeds can limp along on one functional leg. The GM should probably lower their movement rate, but not to zero.

EDIT: Even if the GM rules out limping, they can certainly crawl.

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Fuzzy-Wuzzy wrote:

Bipeds can limp along on one functional leg. The GM should probably lower their movement rate, but not to zero.

EDIT: Even if the GM rules out limping, they can certainly crawl.

Really? If you don't have use of the wing for movement, you can't limp. You can only hop. I would think you would be likely to fall down even trying to stand.


It doesn't say "you have no use of the limb for movement." It says you cannot use or move it properly. Improper use of "leg" => limping.

And they could use their longsword (scabbarded) as a crutch to manage better. You can do that even if you have no use of the other extremity at all.

Ultimately it's up to the GM, since Pathfinder rules do not deal with impairment at that level of detail (even with the alternate wounds system that doesn't keep you at full functionality when you have 1 hp left).

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Fuzzy-Wuzzy wrote:

It doesn't say "you have no use of the limb for movement." It says you cannot use or move it properly. Improper use of "leg" => limping.

Keep in mind, however, that they do NOT have an improper use of one leg. They have improper use of one wing. Even knowing how to use a wing, one does not walk on a wing. Having improper use of a wing instead of a leg strikes me as having one leg missing in a bipedal creature.

A search for a RAW resolution to this only reveals:
http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/v5748dyo5lfcw?Bestiary-4-Preview-1

"Gruesome Dismemberment (Ex) When Grendel successfully holds a creature he has grappled, he may expend one use of mythic power to attempt to dismember that creature. He attempts a grapple check; if successful, his target takes double his normal claw damage and the attack pulls off one of the target’s legs or arms. The target is sickened until it receives magical healing (or until it recovers to full hit points by natural means), and takes 2d6 points of bleed damage each round. A creature with only one an arm cannot perform actions requiring two arms or two hands. A bipedal creature with one leg missing cannot walk or run; it can crawl or hop, but is denied its Dexterity bonus against all opponents. A quadrupedal creature with one leg missing is reduced to half normal speed. At the GM’s discretion, creatures with more than four legs affected by this attack may be able to move at normal speed."

So, if a bipedal creature has one leg and one wing, then it definitely has 1 leg missing. But from above, "A bipedal creature with one leg missing cannot walk or run; it can crawl or hop, but is denied its Dexterity bonus against all opponents." I would view this as a RAW answer to my query.

If you can find a RAW refutation of what I have written, please do so. If it is just random speculation on your part, don't bother.


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nennafir wrote:
Even knowing how to use a wing, one does not walk on a wing.

Really?

How about this? :-)

/cevah

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