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My eMail-header told me:
"Paizo and WizKids Launch Ongoing..."
that was all I needed to shout out loud. I was so happy. Paizo is doing plastic minis, and Paizo has always listened to its customers.
But then...randomized...hm...
Ok, they have a PreOrderCase for 274.99$... fine, so I spend a lot of money, but at least I get them all...no, not really...hm...
I understand the economic reasoning behind it all. But come on, for 275 bucks you and WizKids could assure us, to get the whole set, couldn't you?! 6.88$ for a single mini should be enough to cover the costs...or not?!
I would also buy AP-Cases, if promised, that all monsters I'll need be in there. Granted a gang of 30 goblins would be too much, but at least a mini for every kind of monster. Might this be an idea?!
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OK. I've been sitting quietly for a few years now reading these threads and never joining in. At last, I am finally compelled...
Lisa, Vic, and the rest of the people at Paizo:
I think that this is a wonderful step forward, and I share your enthusiasm and excitement regarding this upcoming release. When I first saw the mini's for the Beginners Box, I was immediately impressed with the quality of both the sculpts and the paint job and thought to myself "Wouldn't it be great if they did a full line of miniatures?"
Well, my wish has been answered. You should be proud of yourselves. I'm willing to bet that these are going to be the best looking mini's EVER produced for a fantasy RPG game. I think the price point is also appropriate for these, and I think that the booster price is great. Sometimes, I find that I might be in my gaming shop of choice just yucking it up with the owner, and there isn't anything new to buy (I have EVERY Pathfinder release that you guys have put out!)but I still wanna throw the guy who owns it a little dough for humoring me. It used to be that I'd buy another set of dice to fit that purpose, but now I have a $4.00 booster to fill that role instead. And don't get me wrong, I'll definitely be purchasing these by the case too.
My only hope for this line is that sculpts will be made for ALL creatures in the Beastiarys. There is nothing more frustrating than trying to create an adventure and having no mini to represent a particular monster on the table. Sure - there are ways around this, but who really wants to use a token or some other thing that doesn't fit in with your miniatures collection? After spending a lot of money on mini's, it just an eyesore to have to resort to that. I also believe that this was a factor in the downfall of the DDM line.
Also, a "mini's game rules" to go along with the figures is not necessary and will steer away from the main focus in producing these in the first place - although that's not to say that an excellent "battle game" couldn't be created as a supplement book for future production. If you were to create such a system, it shouldn't revolve on the rarity of cool pieces, but rather, it should be about effective combat unit building and strategy. In other words, it should NOT be about driving up the price of plastic for no good reason except to gain a power in a skirmish game. Personally, I wouldn't bother with it at all.
It has been amazing to watch how Paizo has grown into the being that it is now, from it's early roots. I think that this decision was an exceptionally big one for the company, and that it speaks volumes about how much you guys actually do care about your customers and the growth of the line.
Don't let anyone pee on your courage - you guys are doing a great job, and I take my hat off to you guys for delivering one of the best RPG's this old gamer has ever had the pleasure to play. Congratulations.
Now, I must look into getting rid of these hundreds of DDM minis...it sure is going to be a heck of a lot of work typing up the list for them all.
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Grotnar, you're absolutely right! I've missread the part about the 40 monsters of the set.
The case contains several bricks and boosters. So, you right - my apologies.
But anyway, such a case should have ALL of them in it, not NEARLY all...
Dryder:
With the Heroes and Monsters set, WizKids has set it up so you should be able to get a complete set. The reason why they can't guarantee it is that the process of packing boxes and cases is done by a human. And humans make mistakes. So even if you should be able to get a complete set, you might not because a human put the wrong rare in the certain box or put the wrong brick in a case. Humans make errors and thus making guarantees about what you might or might not get is not very practical. So we are using the only verbage we can...that you should get nearly all of them. The truth is that a lot of people will get complete sets in each case. But some won't. And it will be because of human error.
-Lisa
I would guess the chances of not getting a 40 mini set in a case of 77 boosters is pretty low. Might be more difficult with Runelords.
Which brings me to the next question adressed directly to Lisa and Vic..
How much say has Paizo over what goes into a set..or are we going to have to live with what Wizkids wants to give us?
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Dryder:With the Heroes and Monsters set, WizKids has set it up so you should be able to get a complete set. The reason why they can't guarantee it is that the process of packing boxes and cases is done by a human. And humans make mistakes. So even if you should be able to get a complete set, you might not because a human put the wrong rare in the certain box or put the wrong brick in a case. Humans make errors and thus making guarantees about what you might or might not get is not very practical. So we are using the only verbage we can...that you should get nearly all of them. The truth is that a lot of people will get complete sets in each case. But some won't. And it will be because of human error.
-Lisa
Human error is ALWAYS a factor and no one can blame anyone for such things. Thanx for pointing out, what the "nearly all" really meant.
This way, everything looks even better for me now, and I can't wait to get that case.Thanx!
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Dryder:With the Heroes and Monsters set, WizKids has set it up so you should be able to get a complete set. The reason why they can't guarantee it is that the process of packing boxes and cases is done by a human. And humans make mistakes. So even if you should be able to get a complete set, you might not because a human put the wrong rare in the certain box or put the wrong brick in a case. Humans make errors and thus making guarantees about what you might or might not get is not very practical. So we are using the only verbage we can...that you should get nearly all of them. The truth is that a lot of people will get complete sets in each case. But some won't. And it will be because of human error.
-Lisa
Human error is ALWAYS a factor and no one can blame anyone for such things. Thanx for pointing out, what the "nearly all" really meant.
This way, everything looks even better for me now, and I can't wait to get that case.
Thanx!
Also, just to point out the probable, knowing this community, there will be minis trading thread popping up soon after these are realeased. Seen it happen with DDM, as well as Gamemastery Cards...
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Which brings me to the next question adressed directly to Lisa and Vic..
How much say has Paizo over what goes into a set..or are we going to have to live with what Wizkids wants to give us?
We are collaborating very strongly with the folks at WizKids. A week or so ago, we had a long phone conference about exactly which minis should go into the Rise of the Runelords set. The reason why WizKids is doing a Pathfinder license is because they want to tap into our expertise with fantasy RPGs. They could have just done a generic fantasy miniatures set themselves with no license, but instead, they came to us to get our expertise and also access to our artwork.
We are really trying to make the rarities make sense. I am a huge DDM collector and have thousands of them lining the walls of my gaming room. I know what worked for me and what pissed me off about the way DDM was handled. We are working with WizKids to avoid some of the pitfalls that other prepainted miniatures companies have made.
That said, THEY know the business of prepainted plastic miniatures WAY better than we do. If it was easy to do, Paizo would have done it ourselves years ago. Heck, we would have had a line announced with our first adventure path if it was an easy thing to do. But it isn't. Which is why we have teamed up with WizKids. We know the business of fantasy RPGs. They know the business of prepainted plastic miniatures. Together, we hope our "offspring" is a match made in heaven. :)
-Lisa
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We are collaborating very strongly with the folks at WizKids. A week or so ago, we had a long phone conference about exactly which minis should go into the Rise of the Runelords set.(...)-Lisa
Wait, you really do sets for the APs? Or did I miss something?
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We are collaborating very strongly with the folks at WizKids. A week or so ago, we had a long phone conference about exactly which minis should go into the Rise of the Runelords set.(...)-LisaWait, you really do sets for the APs? Or did I miss something?
Can't find that set or a hint on it anywhere around here...
We mentioned it in the press release. To quote:
"Additional sets will follow throughout 2012 and beyond, including a 60-figure Rise of the Runelords set scheduled for June 2012. "
Now this is still a random mini set in booster pack form, but the minis take their cue from the Rise of the Runelords AP. That is about all we are ready to say about this at this point. :)
-Lisa
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Are the images shown actual Masters, or are they CGI?
Thanks,
Mazra
The images we are showing of the Heroes and Monsters set are digital sculpts. We will be showing off paint masters of the Beginner Box heroes at GenCon. I have to say, the paint masters are some of the nicest prepainted plastic minis I have ever seen. I couldn't paint them as well as they are painted, and I don't suck at painting metal minis. Not sure how we are going to show these off at the show yet, but I know that Erik and I will have them at our Future of Paizo panel.
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Thanks Lisa. I truly look forward to the coming sets. WotC would do previews in the weeks leading up to the release. This is something I thought they did well early on, but less so later on. It would be nice to see some sneak peeks at production miniatures prior to release. Not the whole set of course, just a few choice pieces to wet our appetites.
Later,
Mazra
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We mentioned it in the press release. To quote:
"Additional sets will follow throughout 2012 and beyond, including a 60-figure Rise of the Runelords set scheduled for June 2012. "
Now this is still a random mini set in booster pack form, but the minis take their cue from the Rise of the Runelords AP. That is about all we are ready to say about this at this point. :)
-Lisa
June? Will make a PERFECT birthday present! Huzzah!
Awesome stuff!
WizKids doesn't even normally *make* statements regarding the amount of duplication in a brick or completeness in a case, but we've impressed upon them that it's important to us, and to many of our customers, that they do so. They are going to extra effort for us, not just in making those statements, but in maximizing the percentage of bricks without duplication and the percentage of cases that contain full sets, because we've told them we think it's important.
I have every confidence that when customers start getting their minis, we're going to hear that a very, very high percentage of bricks have no duplicates, and that a very, very high percentage of cases contain complete sets. But when it comes to random sets, you're just not going to get 100% guarantees on that.
Thanks very much for this. Your previous wording of "very nearly" and repeating it a few times made it sound like Wizkids was actually going out of their way to make sure you weren't getting a complete set. Knowing that it is actually the opposite gets rid of one of my biggest fears: dropping $275 on a case, $x on the amazing black dragon, and then dropping $50+ picking up the rares I am missing (or wallet forbid trying my luck on a second case). So thanks again! That will help some of my friends with their purchase decisions too.
If I am missing minis because of human error as Lisa says, I am much happier to put down that extra money to finish a set than if it was simply decided a case should never have a complete set.
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We mentioned it in the press release. To quote:
"Additional sets will follow throughout 2012 and beyond, including a 60-figure Rise of the Runelords set scheduled for June 2012. "
Now this is still a random mini set in booster pack form, but the minis take their cue from the Rise of the Runelords AP. That is about all we are ready to say about this at this point. :)
-Lisa
Wait... something's dawning in my mind...
You don't plan to publish a pfed version of Rise of the Runelords with all these minis coming... or (oh my god, I feel dizzy, only thinking that this might come true...)
a RETURN OF THE RUNELORDS AP, with the EPIC RULES as accompanying rulebook?!
Thaks Lisa I know now that I will definitely be buying these..and replaceing my DDM stuff 1 for 1 with them which might free up a little bit of cash for the next set.
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We are collaborating very strongly with the folks at WizKids. A week or so ago, we had a long phone conference about exactly which minis should go into the Rise of the Runelords set. The reason why WizKids is doing a Pathfinder license is because they want to tap into our expertise with fantasy RPGs. They could have just done a generic fantasy miniatures set themselves with no license, but instead, they came to us to get our expertise and also access to our artwork.
That right there is, to me, a HUGE indicator of the success of the Pathfinder RPG. They could have approached WotC, they could have gone generic, but no, they approached Paizo. :-D
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We mentioned it in the press release. To quote:
"Additional sets will follow throughout 2012 and beyond, including a 60-figure Rise of the Runelords set scheduled for June 2012. "
Now this is still a random mini set in booster pack form, but the minis take their cue from the Rise of the Runelords AP. That is about all we are ready to say about this at this point. :)
-Lisa
Wait... something's dawning in my mind...
You don't plan to publish a pfed version of Rise of the Runelords with all these minis coming... or (oh my god, I feel dizzy, only thinking that this might come true...)
a RETURN OF THE RUNELORDS AP, with the EPIC RULES as accompanying rulebook?!
I think 1 is more likely.
Less than 8 hours to the AP seminar @ Gencon...
We mentioned it in the press release. To quote:
"Additional sets will follow throughout 2012 and beyond, including a 60-figure Rise of the Runelords set scheduled for June 2012. "
Now this is still a random mini set in booster pack form, but the minis take their cue from the Rise of the Runelords AP. That is about all we are ready to say about this at this point. :)
-Lisa
Wait... something's dawning in my mind...
You don't plan to publish a pfed version of Rise of the Runelords with all these minis coming... or (oh my god, I feel dizzy, only thinking that this might come true...)
a RETURN OF THE RUNELORDS AP, with the EPIC RULES as accompanying rulebook?!
See the new Nualia art work in Inner Sea Magic as a hint.
We are collaborating very strongly with the folks at WizKids. A week or so ago, we had a long phone conference about exactly which minis should go into the Rise of the Runelords set. The reason why WizKids is doing a Pathfinder license is because they want to tap into our expertise with fantasy RPGs. They could have just done a generic fantasy miniatures set themselves with no license, but instead, they came to us to get our expertise and also access to our artwork.That right there is, to me, a HUGE indicator of the success of the Pathfinder RPG. They could have approached WotC, they could have gone generic, but no, they approached Paizo. :-D
Well they could have gone to WotC first. We don't know.
Well they could have gone to WotC first. We don't know.We are collaborating very strongly with the folks at WizKids. A week or so ago, we had a long phone conference about exactly which minis should go into the Rise of the Runelords set. The reason why WizKids is doing a Pathfinder license is because they want to tap into our expertise with fantasy RPGs. They could have just done a generic fantasy miniatures set themselves with no license, but instead, they came to us to get our expertise and also access to our artwork.That right there is, to me, a HUGE indicator of the success of the Pathfinder RPG. They could have approached WotC, they could have gone generic, but no, they approached Paizo. :-D
True, Lisa could have left that out or she might not have been privvy to that information. However, they still see Pathfinder as a big enough brand to trust it with a whole line of fantasy miniatures. That alone is a big indicator of the success of the RPG line.
I also find it interesting that this thread is so black and white. Can I not hate ONE thing Paizo does while still being a fan? I think the product is a good one, but I think the marketing is BS. If I didn't care, I wouldn't be here (Which makes the bossman telling me to shop elsewhere upthread weird to me).I didn't tell you to get lost. I told you "I hope you find another company who will cater to your desires." That is, WizKids (and Paizo) recognize that the only feasible way to produce a decent-sized line of prepainted plastic fantasy miniatures is to do so by averaging out the higher costs of lower-demand (or more complicated) figures with lower costs of higher-demand (or less complicated) figures, and that means having variable rarities, and that means randomization.
Which is much easier to pull off in packs greater than one. Especially for something that has quite literally no reason to encourage people to buy it other than to support the company (and "people who support a company" is generally a very small target audience, as Nintendo is learning right now). Is there a game based around these minis where one is better than the other so they are encouraged by the system itself to buy a large number of packs? No? Then what exactly is the incentive for buying $4 single randomized packs and chancing large numbers of duplicate commons for little to no chance at a rare where neither of those things means anything? Or the opposite - no chance of buying large numbers of duplicates or similars to make a hoard?
True, Lisa could have left that out or she might not have been privvy to that information. However, they still see Pathfinder as a big enough brand to trust it with a whole line of fantasy miniatures. That alone is a big indicator of the success of the RPG line.Well they could have gone to WotC first. We don't know.We are collaborating very strongly with the folks at WizKids. A week or so ago, we had a long phone conference about exactly which minis should go into the Rise of the Runelords set. The reason why WizKids is doing a Pathfinder license is because they want to tap into our expertise with fantasy RPGs. They could have just done a generic fantasy miniatures set themselves with no license, but instead, they came to us to get our expertise and also access to our artwork.That right there is, to me, a HUGE indicator of the success of the Pathfinder RPG. They could have approached WotC, they could have gone generic, but no, they approached Paizo. :-D
Agreed. It is possible they went to Paizo first, but either way it still reflcts very well on Paizo. Paizo took WotC's castoff (3.5) and is doing very nicely with it. Definitely a top notch company.
I have been buying PF books over the last couple years with plans to play it in the future. I am now seriously considering starting a PF campaign after my 4e campaign is done (probably later this year). With the new basic set coming out and the minis line starting up it looks like a good time to get into PF. I will definitely be stopping at the PF booth at Gen Con this week end to check it out.
Funny, Wizkidz has been doing this for 4 sets with heroclix, at the same pricepoint. They sell like hotcakes at our store. In the amount of time we sell 5 boosters of 5 figures, we sell about 70 of the single figure blind boosters. As Vic says about 5 pages ago, its a proven model that wizkidz can provide spreadsheets of data on how it helps move product faster.
How easy do you think it will be for retailers to stock single creature boosters? Burned 1 too many times and no one is going to buy any of them as opposed to multiple creature boosters where you have a better gamble of not being burned when purchasing another pack.
Except that is an EXCEEDINGLY false assertion if you stop to think about it. HeroClix is a game where the characters being sold impact the success rate of the player. Sure, Magic: The Gathering cards are still selling great, but when was the last time you saw anyone buy a pack of baseball cards? These figures are baseball cards; HeroClix are M:TG.
Can WizKids provide reams of data about the statistics of selling figures for a high price point where the figures themselves provide no incentive for the buyer to purchase them?
Then what exactly is the incentive for buying $4 single randomized packs and chancing large numbers of duplicate commons for little to no chance at a rare where neither of those things means anything?
The low price point is great for impulse buys and that is how they will get me. :)
Also, define little or no chance at a rare? In the DDM's line every 1 out of 6-8 minis was a rare. That is a small chance of getting a rare but it is still a decent chance (assuming similar ratios).
Just watched Jason's tour of the Paizo Gen Con booth. He briefly filmed the Starter Set miniatures, but also included a shot of a small videoscreen showing some of the Heroes & Monsters sculpts seen above... however, the screen shifted to another miniature sculpt, a lone figure, possibly a vampire(?). Any chance of getting to see these other masters if you have pictures of them?
Then what exactly is the incentive for buying $4 single randomized packs and chancing large numbers of duplicate commons for little to no chance at a rare where neither of those things means anything?The low price point is great for impulse buys and that is how they will get me. :)
Low price point? They are FOUR FRACKING DOLLARS for a 1"x1"x1.5" plastic statuette with no articulation whose rarity or commonness means NOTHING.
Also, define little or no chance at a rare? In the DDM's line every 1 out of 6-8 minis was a rare.
They sold them 6 to 8 to a single box.
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Just to make sure!
I assume it does but just to make sure is the new pathfinder minis are "sized" to fit the pathfinder rule?I mean by that do we have tiny, small, medium, large and even huge figs?
I believe this 40 mini set will include Small, Medium, and Large figures, and that there is also a Huge Black Dragon being produced. Presumably, we'll see more Huge (and perhaps Tiny) creatures as additional sets are released.
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Am I the only person who does not think that $4 for a mini is expensive? Sure, I don't know everyone's budget, but come on.
A typical Reaper mini (of PF brand or otherwise) metal figure is roughly $7 or $8 at most FLGS.
So sure you pay double the price for metal than you do plastic. Even metal figures have their issues though, multiple parts to glue, bent out of shape pieces or swords that are very difficult to reshape without breaking the piece. Then there's painting, which if you love to paint great. I don't, at least.
There's the additionl cost of painting materials as well as time spent painting that can either be a drag or enjoyment.
So paying $4 for a medium sized pre-painted plastic mini? Seems relative and perfectly acceptable to me...
Low price point? They are FOUR FRACKING DOLLARS for a 1"x1"x1.5" plastic statuette with no articulation whose rarity or commonness means NOTHING.
Yes, $4 is a pow price point. If I am in a LGS buying something I will think nothing of tossing one or two of these bad boys in on an impulse.
Now you may not think a 1" mini is worth $4 but the bottomline is $4 is not a lot of money.
They sold them 6 to 8 to a single box./QUOTE]
That's true, but do we have any reason to believe the ratiosn will be significantly different? Do other WizKids products have significantly different ratios of rares/uncommons/commons than what DDM used?
I think the price point is just about right for these. It's just the random factor that I am unhappy with. I understand that this is the only way we are going to get plastic pre-painted miniatures so I am going to purchase this. I just wish it was coming out sooner as I am getting really tired of breaking old mage knight minis to make minis for my games.
Anyways come December I will be having a blast with these I am sure.
Just want to say thank you to Paizo. Even if they are random, I am really glad that there are new plastic minis being made.
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You and your facts and well informed opinions...For those of you not clear on this, even if Paizo pays the same as your local store, PAIZO MAKES ROYALTIES OF THE FIGURES THEY BUY.Of course we don't. Many modern contracts that involve licensors purchasing licensed products specifically state that the licensee doesn't have to pay royalties on the products they sell to the licensor. Doing otherwise is known as "double dipping," and it's generally frowned upon in the world of licensing.
Seriously, Vic, you're totally getting in the way of the conspiracy theory here.
A typical Reaper mini (of PF brand or otherwise) metal figure is roughly $7 or $8 at most FLGS.
A typical Reaper mini is metal and not random. People buy Reaper minis to represent their specific character as closely as possibly. Sure, some DMs may splurge and buy an $80 "horde" of 10 metal orcs, but those are few and far between
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I'm totally satisfied by the ability to buy singles here on paizo.com. Thank you for that, and I do hope you don't lose money in providing it, because it rocks.
Can WizKids provide reams of data about the statistics of selling figures for a high price point where the figures themselves provide no incentive for the buyer to purchase them?
That's an interesting note, we keep talking about WizKids' expertise in PPMs, but is that true? Perhaps better put, here's the challenge question -
Does WizKids have a successful line of figures that do not bear the name 'Clix' anywhere on them?
Their website is fail, so don't even try that. Seriously, who ever heard of a site from a producer of things who doesn't have a 'products' tab?
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A typical Reaper mini is metal and not random. People buy Reaper minis to represent their specific character as closely as possibly. Sure, some DMs may splurge and buy an $80 "horde" of 10 metal orcs, but those are few and far between
A typical Reaper mini (of PF brand or otherwise) metal figure is roughly $7 or $8 at most FLGS.
Ok, so what's your point? Material is a preference. Metal is fine, but then I'm not going to ignore the potential quality of the plastic pieces.
Random? Eh, I come from a position in that I don't have many minis. I'm fairly young compared to the people that have been in the hobby for decades. I have roughly a total of TEN metal figures. Mostly used for my PCs, since I GM a lot of new players from time to time their PCs, and bosses. Other enemies are either punchout pogs, or random things. I once used a square piece of white paper as a white dragon.
I don't have dozens of leftover skeletons or goblins, nor any large or huge minis for epic encounters. The randomness is fine, because I'll get a nice spread of different figures, and even if I don't get the troll mini I would need for an adventure I'm running, the ogre mini I DID get services much better than a salt shaker.
A typical Reaper mini is metal and not random. People buy Reaper minis to represent their specific character as closely as possibly. Sure, some DMs may splurge and buy an $80 "horde" of 10 metal orcs, but those are few and far between
A typical Reaper mini (of PF brand or otherwise) metal figure is roughly $7 or $8 at most FLGS.Ok, so what's your point? Material is a preference. Metal is fine, but then I'm not going to ignore the potential quality of the plastic pieces.
Random? Eh, I come from a position in that I don't have many minis. I'm fairly young compared to the people that have been in the hobby for decades. I have roughly a total of TEN metal figures. Mostly used for my PCs, since I GM a lot of new players from time to time their PCs, and bosses. Other enemies are either punchout pogs, or random things. I once used a square piece of white paper as a white dragon.
I don't have dozens of leftover skeletons or goblins, nor any large or huge minis for epic encounters. The randomness is fine, because I'll get a nice spread of different figures, and even if I don't get the troll mini I would need for an adventure I'm running, the ogre mini I DID get services much better than a salt shaker.
I think what Cartigan is getting at is, let's say you go and pick up 8 "standard" random mini packs at your FLGS. You think, "I have a small supply so it doesn't matter really what I get, because I will find a use for them." You then get home and open them and find that of the 8 you purchased 5 of them had the gnome, 4 of the them had the dire rate, 1 other small, and the other three were 3 succubi.
Now consider if they had instead packaged them 4 to a box instead. You might have gotten less miniatures (say 8 for two boxes verses the 13 you got in this set), but at most you would have had doubles of any one miniature, unlike having this situation where you can end up with 5 gnomes. Sure maybe you regularly attack the party with swarms of gnomes and that is good for you, but for most groups this isn't got to get very useful.
In a larger random package, you might have a smaller set of miniatures you have the potential to get, but you also have less chance of multiple copies of the same miniature.
I wonder, if people get lucky and get all the large miniatures they want, what is going to motivate them to purchase more of the large packages? I mean you 12 in the case, some of those have to be more common than others which means there are not 12 large designs I would think. Since you are pretty sure to get every one, that means there are probably at most 5 different large designs. If you get all 5 by picking up 8 large randoms are you going to keep purchasing more usually? While it may be nice to have several trolls, rarely do you want them all to be identical, since that makes it harder to track them as a GM.
I don't have dozens of leftover skeletons or goblins, nor any large or huge minis for epic encounters. The randomness is fine, because I'll get a nice spread of different figures, and even if I don't get the troll mini I would need for an adventure I'm running, the ogre mini I DID get services much better than a salt shaker.
Why not just got by a 2"x2"xwhatever" troll mini or figurine on eBay or somewhere? I mean, you are already spending $6 + shipping.
Just announced! See the Press Release here! (It has some info on follow-up sets, as well as a FAQ you'll want to check out.)
We will be making the black dragon case premium available to those who order cases from paizo.com, and in other ways as well. Details on that will be announced later.
Wtf. Random miniatures! This was lame when WotC did it and Paizo should have known better. I feel so betrayed. It`s like a friend just led me into a dark alley and is leveraging a dagger into my back. This will affect my decision to buy Paizo products in the future. I am not spending time on a company that is just going WotC us at the first opportunity.
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I think what Cartigan is getting at is, let's say you go and pick up 8 "standard" random mini packs at your FLGS. You think, "I have a small supply so it doesn't matter really what I get, because I will find a use for them." You then get home and open them and find that of the 8 you purchased 5 of them had the gnome, 4 of the them had the dire rate, 1 other small, and the other three were 3 succubi.
Now consider if they had instead packaged them 4 to a box instead. You might have gotten less miniatures (say 8 for two boxes verses the 13 you got in this set), but at most you would have had doubles of any one miniature, unlike having this situation where you can end up with 5 gnomes. Sure maybe you...
Pres man you make some good points. I think in the end it will come down to personal preference. Again, I can only quote for my situation. I'm ordering a case. A big purchase, but with the high likelihood of getting at least 1 of each piece in the set, I should be well covered and well supplied with minis, a first for myself.
Tracking similar enemies has never been hard for me. Usually I look at the board on one axis. Maybe from left to right I count off Skeletone 1, Skeleton 2, etc. Should they cross the vertical columns during combat and the order from left to right goes 1, 3, 2, etc. I just keep a mental note. This doesn't work for everyone, however.
Would I prefer more minis per package with an adjusted price? Yes. But the current model seems fine to me. I guess in the end those wanting variation can attempt to repaint certain figures, and if looking for a certain piece, can purchase them individually here at Paizo as stated previously. If I get a bunch of extra gnomes or whatever, they make nice hand-me-downs to my fellow players with little to no minis who want to GM games.
Cousin Sock? You in here? I could have sworn I heard your voice just a few minutes ago.
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Wtf. Random miniatures! This was lame when WotC did it and Paizo should have known better. I feel so betrayed. It`s like a friend just led me into a dark alley and is leveraging a dagger into my back. This will affect my decision to buy Paizo products in the future. I am not spending time on a company that is just going WotC us at the first opportunity.
/facepalm