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Hi, a curious intersection of PFS and Pathfinder material happened this weekend.

At the table, the treesinger druid was told she needed two "attack" tricks in order to have her treant companion attack an undead creature, as "animals do not normally attack" creatures outside the limited "what animals attack" range (i.e. humanoids, monstrous humanoids, etc). However, her animal companion is not an animal; being a plant creature, does it need two attack tricks? Does it say somewhere that plants only attack certain creatures? Or does functioning as an "animal companion" cause it to function as an animal?

The DM at the table ruled that it needed two attack tricks, which was fine and understood by everyone as fairly reasonable. I was also curious how others might read this, however. If anyone else has any input, it'd be great to hear (in part because I feel this would be important for what plants as a type are allowed to attack as well).


Hey ya'll,

I have decided that my PFS GM credit character should work a prestige class (since they'll leap up high enough to get there right away). The only one of PFS worth to me is the Spherewalker, but I am struggling with getting a solid foundation beneath it (while still getting in early enough for it to be worth it).

The best I can do right now is this:

1. Ranger (1)Iron Will*
2. Ranger (2) unnamed bonus feat
3. Ranger (3) Endurance*, unnamed feat
4. Fighter (1) unnamed bonus feat
5. Fighter (2) Deific Obedience (Desna), unnamed bonus feat
6. Speherewalker (1)
7. Evangelist (1)
8. Evangelist (2) (Spherewalker Aligned Class)
9. (evangelist til 12)

* = required for Spherewalker entry

That way by level 11 I have the full spherewalker experience, a little bit of religious flavor from the Evangelist (and deific boon), and I actually get to play it before retiring the character.

The problem is that I have no idea what would even be good for me to do on this character. I chose ranger because it has at least SOME spellcasting ability and spherewalker could level that, giving me some spells right away - even if the class itself plays better with charisma. I was wondering about some sort of knife-thrower to take advantage of the starknife stuff? I mean, I know it's not particularly good, but is there something that could help me out? I'm open to any race, stats, style at this point, if only to get some direction to start looking...


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I recently got into PFS and am struggling with making a character that I find interesting and still fits into the narrow window of PFS material (material that I also have to physically own). In the process I decided on some class combos that I'd like feedback on from other people more familiar with what PFS rulings are on the matter.

First, a Sage-bloodline sorcerer (X) with a single level of witch (1) at first level, just so I can get access to hexes as an extra hex feat if I choose. I really enjoy the ability to not worry so much about spells per day, and also I find the concept really interesting. I would like to use the Familiar Folio ability to replace my first level bloodline ability with gaining a familiar. Since I already have a familiar from being a witch, does that mean my sorcerer levels stack for my familiar (for the purposes of PFS play)?

A follow up to this is the specifics of RAW versus RAI on wording of hexes (and by extension, other things like oracle revelations or patron familiars). As a DM, I rule that - unless it is explicit that it is per (class) level - it means (character) level. For the purposes of PFS play, when a witch hex like Evil Eye says that it advances "at 8th level", does PFS require that be at witch level 8 or character level 8?

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The second question I have is in the same vein, and perhaps requires more adjudication: I'm also thinking about a treesinger druid (elf archetype) for the plant companion. Grab the sorcerer (verdant) bloodline for plant powers and RP that one of my character's parents was a dryad. Now, I'd like to play an oracle for 2nd+, and the oracle (nature) and (lunar) mysteries both have revelations that grant animal companions. The treesinger druid archetype states that the plant is an animal companion; do other classes that grant animal companions grant new companions, or is there one companion and those levels now just stack with the first one? Also, part of the problem is that the oracle revelations name specific types of creatures, none of which are plants. Again, I have my own opinions on what I'd do were I adjudicating this myself, but I want this to be PFS legal completely and I'd appreciate some help.

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Third question I have: I want to make a pirate. Specifically, a half-elf gunslinger, totally normal gunslinger stuff, with a dodo familiar from the online "pirate familiars" piece and using eldritch heritage to get the first level arcane bloodline power. What do I have to present as proof for using that as my source when I am in PFS?


How open are you to comments, Evey Brett? I have a few, but I don't know what your level of interest in them is or if this is an appropriate place. I don't want to be mean, but I could see some of what I'd comment on as... being harsh or critical. I really want to be respectful though and if it's not something you're interested in at all, or would prefer another channel for I'd respect those wishes :)


Hey forumites. I actually have found myself a little stuck with a character decision, and I'm not sure where to go with it.

I am currently playing a Swamp-domain Druid, with my first two levels in Evangelist (Immonhiel). I have the toad familiar, and at first I did it just to meet the Deific Obedience requirements for Immonhiel (meditate with a toad on your chest) but I eventually decided I wanted an upgrade. I took Improved Familiar; now, the way my DM usually runs it, you take the feat, and eventually you'll bump into a <new creature> that wants to be a familiar. The trade off of getting your first choice/getting the creature instantly is that he's pretty generous with the list and alignment restrictions, and you can get some unusual critters. For example, in the last campaign, the winter witch got a winter wolf for her improved familiar.

This is where my dilemma comes in; my druid befriended a [url=http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/fey/sprite[/url] that it seems the DM is suggesting I take. I do like the little guy, he's got a lot of character and is super loyal. But I have some questions, and I don't know all of the answers.

1) I know the regular familiar rules state that familiars get X intelligence at X level. does that still apply to Improved Familiar? I played with an imp before, and the DM ruled that the high intelligence was what counted. That was a different DM than this guy though, and I want to know what the official ruling is on if my sprite will stay at 6 int or be bumped up immediately before I ask this DM.

2) I'm not really sure how to use a little delicate creature that doesn't have any abilities. Like I said, I had an imp before that I was pretty comfortable with using his invisibility to deliver touch spells. That was as a sorcerer, however. Is a sprite good for the same thing on a druid?

3) Another player's witch got killed, and he was having such a miserable time with his first caster that he decided to reroll completely. The DM tried to help him out a little by giving his familiar a "memory gem" that let it take one level in a class of the player's choice. It's pretty certain that my druid (as the default healer now) will inherit this gem and it's also part of the reason I was thinking about taking improved familiar. I was really excited to get a little <creature> (cleric 1) or (bard 1). It was going to take some of the pressure off my spells. The sprite looks to be pretty terrible for that though; is there a good class to put on it that'd free me up from either needing to do damage or else needing to do quite so much support?


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I made a thread a month ago about the oversexualization of women in Pathfinder, but really it was relative to the lack of sexualization of men and male creatures that was the issue. I went away for the weekend and was saddened to see that it got locked before I felt the discussion had fully run its course, but I know tempers were flaring towards the end of it there and I know a lot of people (including myself) were pretty on edge.

The reason I feel that discussion of this isn’t fully over is because a lot of the discussion got turned towards specifics of APs and art, and while I don’t think it wasn’t worthwhile, it distracted me from two additional points – the beastiary and the gods – that I wanted to get to in order to fully illustrate my point. I wish that I had been able to follow up sooner, but it took me a long time to get this material together and go through it all to make sure it was internally consistent. I was also debating what I wanted to say for a long time, until I saw a post in another thread stating:

Irnk, Dead-Eye's Prodigal wrote:
I will admit I hadn't been attending as closely to the boards for this particular concern, but these past few threads are the first I recall people really getting vocal about this & related topics. Let's keep an eye on the published material from here on out & see if matters don't do a better job of equalizing in the next six months or so.

And I thought that I should definitely just raise this last point of discussion sooner, rather than later, since all I want in the first place is a slight shift in the ship’s course. I also feel bad for potentially cutting off discussion of new additions to mono-gendered male/male seducer creatures that were sort of proposed, but didn’t have the chance to get fully explored. When coupled with another post that suggested people requesting changes on these issues be as specific and defined as possible, I realized that I do just want the sore points that I see to be put out there.

To start, I want to make it clear that I love Paizo. I think they’re fantastic and their commitment to certain points has won me over heart and soul. Staff responses in the last thread were awesome and insightful and provided a remarkable amount of transparency into the process and have only served to impress me further. This isn’t an attack or a condemnation of them in any way and I hope that no one reads anything I say in that way either. If nothing else, I just want this thread to be an explanation from an outside perspective of how, taken aggregately, certain things look today. I do honestly hope that some change comes about because of it, but the changes I’m seeking are nothing more than the occasional extra bestiary entry, a tiny bit more art oversight, and/or some of the wording of certain flavor text given to different creatures. Nobody loses out on anything that they wouldn’t be receiving, there would just be a little bit extra for those who aren’t getting it now.

That said, I’m still pretty new to forum posting and generally need more time to think about things that I usually allow myself, so I’m really hoping to not be as waspish as I may have come across before (sorry if I bit anyone's head off earlier!).

Interesting and relevant threads:
Male beauty, female beauty, and Pathfinder deity diversity
Male Love Interests in APs
Build a Beefcake


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This post is about my perception of a trend regarding hypersexualized women in Pathfinder materials. There’s no one grievous example, and it’s not something I’m going to huff about canceling my subscription or not buying Paizo products any longer. I love Pathfinder materials and think that, as a whole, the company stands head and shoulders above other RPG crowds. Rather, I want to mention it because I wonder if it’s A) a message that Paizo actually wants to send, and B) because I honestly think whatever this trend is can just be done better. It is a very long post, and for that I apologize! I wanted to be as thorough and articulate as possible, however.

That said, the trend itself is this: Whenever topics of a sexual nature come up, or are presented in an AP, the ones either doing the sexual aggression or else being sexually available are almost invariably female. Worse, even in cases where gender should logically not be an issue, it IS made into an issue. Female npcs and villains are consistently portrayed as aggressively bisexual, certain races are designed purely for the benefit of straight, white, male gamers, and – most importantly, in my opinion – none of this actually serves the story.

I am going to start with the most recent examples found in Wrath of the Righteous, and other APs, because I feel like these are most egregious examples. Now, the Wrath of the Righteous was an AP I really enjoyed, in spite of these parts, so I don’t want this to sound like a litany of complaints and nothing more.

First off, I’d like to start with what seems to be the discrepancy in the minds of the male authors who wrote the last 5 books of the campaign; despite the players visiting 2 of the 3 Abyssal realms where “creatures of lust” are common (Noticula and Baphomet’s realms, both of which are described as containing incubi and succubi in the gazetters of both places), and despite demons supposedly not having the same human sexual hang-ups and attractions as heteronormative human men, the players encounter a whopping 13 named, described, and tactically outlined succubi and/or succubi-related creatures (lilltus and half-succubi, hereafter referred to as simply “succubi” for simplification). These succubi are all described as beautiful women, referred to as women, and are set up to be female, even in the one example of a succubus wearing a male form “for work preferences”. All of these creatures are placed in sexual context, all of them try to charm, sleep with, or otherwise use their appearance to interest (male) characters, and have intelligent, complex tactics outlined for dealing with player characters. Of these sexy she-demons, 3 of them are Demon Princes (or nearly so) in power. 8 of them have Mythic status. At least 6 have unique artwork, all of them have unique statblocks, and all also have detailed appearances in the text (with the exception of the occasionally male-appearing succubus, whose male appearance is simply described as “attractive” and “dark”).

And you know what? All of that is GREAT. Perfectly cool, so awesome, and so rad. I love that these clever demons have gotten to where they are, I love the frank portrayal about their tactics, I love the art and how absolutely radical they all are. I like the variation, I like that some of the succubi aren’t portrayed sexually in their artwork, I like that they have unique and varied stats! All of that, by itself, is fine!

What’s not okay is the bizarre disparity between female creatures with overt sexual connotations, and male ones.

There are a total of 3 named incubi in the AP. I don’t even need to include an “incubi-related” tag in this, because there aren’t any. Of those three named incubi, only one has any impact of note on the players. The other two are given names, but are not given any ways to interact with the players. One of the three is merely a footnote in a succubi’s backstory. Of the incubi the players actually encounter, both simply “fight to the death” and do not have any tactics, interest in manipulation, seduction, or charm. In short, these demons with strong, overtly sexual connotations do not have any role in the campaign beyond that of a warrior grunt.

Of the unnamed incubi and succubi, the unnamed succubi are again presented as consorts. There are no incubi consorts. They fill the role of warrior grunts. I want to focus on this particular theme, because I feel that – while any of the Paizo materials could be viewed as “just fine” if seen alone – this best illustrates a strangely constant, heteronormative male-interest undertone that comes at the expense of not only the nonhetero, and non-male, players, but also the world itself.

I don’t think anyone could argue to me that incubi and succubi occupy the same role. They both can change self, they both have an emphasis on seduction, manipulation, intelligence, and control, and they both have a long history in both DnD lore and real world lore of carrying strong, sexual connotations. I genuinely don’t understand the need to specify them as two distinct creatures in the beastiary, much less the need for different stats, but, again, that by itself is fine.

What’s not okay is the way that it’s used. Both of these creatures are sexually charged, interest in lust, described in multiple gazetteers as creatures of lust, and yet only the, inexplicably, physically weaker of the two is placed into positions of sexual subservience. Only the ones placed into sexual subservience have interactions with the players, in Wrath of the Righteous and all other APs where succubi (and, rarely, incubi) are mentioned. Despite the fact that both creatures are almost equal, and despite the fact that both form from souls of lust, and despite many writers’ purported claims that “gender is of no consequence” to shapechangers like succubi and incubi, that is clearly NOT the case.

Aside from the fact that incubi are invariably presented as warrior-grunts with no sexuality, I’m going to return to the male-form-wearing succubus mentioned in the “City of Locusts” AP. Whatever the author’s intentions were, this is not a transgeder character. Again, I would LOVE for that to be so; however, she is not. She wears this form in relation to her work at the brothel. She is the least-described succubus of the SIX succubus who work the all-female-staffed brothel (save for two disgusting fly-demons who serve as butler and cook), and she has no possibility of interaction with the players given the fact that she is the only one currently entertaining a client when the players arrive; additionally, unlike some of the other succubi, she does not have any “redemption-worthy” features. Again, she is presented as the most likely to simply be killed of the succubi. More importantly, however, is the reason she is not transgender: demons are not born. Yes, on OCCASION there are certain demon backstories where they are the product of birth, rather than forming from a soul’s desires; this is not one of those cases. Her soul, when it was morphing into a demon, desired to be a succubus rather than an incubus. It’s that simple.

The other piece of this that I’d like to return to is the matter of “gender is of no consequence” that Paizo often attaches to succubi. That would be great! Except it clearly DOES matter, since A) only succubi are ever presented with the opportunity to sexually attract players, and B) if gender truly “did not matter”, then why does it matter if the creature doing the seduction is male or female, when their appearance is whatever the PC desires anyways? I want to discuss this question seriously, because this is what really burns me the most. In a world that purports to be free of the gender inequality that strangles the real world, Golarion is remarkably geared towards what straight, heteronormative men want to see. If gender didn’t matter, then why isn’t the succubus brothel staffed by 6 incubus instead? Does anybody think that would matter to the players? If it does matter, why? Their base forms might be male, sure, but in this case, 4 of the 6 incubi would still appear as completely female, with one androgynous one, and then the one congruous one would still be killed immediately by the players, so honestly, what does it matter?

Logically, it shouldn’t matter. We all know it does. And that’s fine, I’m not writing this to push people’s boundaries. Where it DOES matter, however, is how sexually objectified men are consistently ignored, forgotten about, or even outright DERIDED. This is a quote from “Curse of the Lady’s Light”, the 2nd book in the Shattered Star AP, and written by Mike Shel: “Neither Sorshen nor Nocticula bothered recording the names of the incubi who served.”

Why does that addition matter? Why is that piece even mentioned? Why would the pansexual Runelord of Lust bother making a distinction between genders? Why would the Demon Prince of Lust, who can shapechange just as easily as any other ‘cubi creature, make that distinction?

I know the real answer, of course; men as sexual objects is an extremely uncomfortable subject for these writers, so there’s an AP like City of Locusts full of pin-up girls and stuff only purely hetero men would be interested in. This isn’t a new thing either, or a “one writer, one time” incident. “Curse of the Lady’s Light” is an adventure where the (clearly intended to be male) PCs venture into a compound full of enthralled women, in bordello-like surroundings, and fight succubi, alu-fiends, specifically FEMALE lustspawn, and oh by the way, all of these women have hot lesbian connotations surrounding them. Of the total encounters in the AP, there Is one unnamed, unimportant incubus. Guess what his job is! He’s a warrior-grunt, guarding the door. There is one other male creature in the AP – an enthralled dhampir, cast off as undesirable now that the alu-fiend can pursue a lesbian relationship. He has nothing more to do with the players should they free him.

The impossibility of men in positions of sexual subservience, or being viewed as sexual objects, continues throughout all of Paizo’s materials. I already mentioned the incubus/succubus split, where the incubus is removed from “clever seducer” to simply “stupid warrior-grunt rapist” (and accompanied by a remarkably nonsexual, remarkably unattractive picture of a generic demon that in no way fits the utterly generic “dark and attractive” line Paizo uses to describe any physically attractive male creature). It’s a long-running theme, however, and can be seen across the whole last ten years. Nocticula has gotten a number of different depictions; in the latest AP, the original book containing the Demon Princes and in the new book as well. Her lusty brother, Socothbenoth has gotten one – in the original depiction of him (alongside Nocticula). He has not been depicted since, despite mentions of him in newer materials. The Lashunta are a more stupid example, in my own opinion, of allowing someone to insert his love of nude chicks riding dinosaurs while spitting on anyone not interested in those nude chicks. Lashunta women are described as “tall, extremely attractive human or elven women” and are gifted, intelligent, articulate babes that wear as little as possible on their hothouse planet. They have at least 2-3 art depictions of female Lashunta.

Lashunta men are described as “short, warlike, brutish and aggressive”, so stocky that they are almost as wide as they are tall. There are no depictions of male lashunta. Why? I mean, not like I’m interested in playing one, because the fact that there is no equivalent race in all of Pathfinder’s materials disgusts me, but if this is meant to be an optional player race (and it is included as an option in some material), why wouldn’t there be a depiction of male lashunta, even as terrible and unattractive as they are?

It’s not just new, alien races either. Old creatures, like driders, have been edited too. How many of you knew that male driders turn bug-faced when they’re turned into driders? I actually had no idea until very recently! That’s great though, don’t worry – female driders still have certifiably hot lady-parts. The curse can determine what genders it wants to turn into scary cannon fodder and what genders it wants to keep for sexy art purposes. What would happen to an intersex drow that got turned into a drider? Who knows! Probably though it’d just keep all its sexy lady-parts and be a lady-drider in appearance.

Of course, it’s hard to decide whether hideous men/attractive, gorgeous, male-gaze-satisfying women races are better, or worse than those races that are solely female – BUT! – also still fully satisfying that all-important male gaze! The “strictly female” changeling race is probably another straight-up stupid example of this but another terrible offender is the thraie. Actually it was the recent addition of a new thraie creature in “The Shifting Sands” AP that really galvanized this post. The thraie, for those of you who do not know, are conventionally attractive women with all the necessary lady-parts that heteronormative men find attractive, a couple of bee-like appendages tossed on, and an absolute need to mate with humanoid males in order to continue their species. Why are there no male thraie filling that role? Who cares! What purpose does their attractive-to-straight-white-males beauty/body type serve? Well… none, really. They keep male humanoids drugged up, specifically DO NOT develop romantic attachments or relationships to them (view them as “favored pets” at best), and then eat them for nutrients when they die. Their physical appearance is utterly irrelevant, save for serving as fodder for male gaze.

Which I genuinely do not understand. I mean, I want to be clear – while I would dearly love for Paizo to publish material that includes appeal to non-hetero male gazers, I realize that isn’t always possible, and can make people uncomfortable. That’s fine! That’s not the ONLY solution, however. There is another possibility – to just not publish material like the stuff I listed anymore.

Don’t print more all-female, nude attractive girl races. Don’t print all-female-staffed brothels. No more dumb-dumb axe-wieldy incubi serving as simple cannon-fodder. If someone writes that stuff, correct them. While I love adult issues in campaigns, and I love seeing people handle them maturely, I don’t like it when female players roll their eyes and can only grudgingly participate in an AP. I don’t like trying to justify to myself why a race like the thraie, or the lashunta, shouldn’t simply be exterminated on sight in defiance of the dominant culture foisting its views on what’s attractive to me. I don’t like the harm it does to my experience of Pathfinder APs, and I don’t like having to swallow my irritation and anger every time I read about another race that just seems to serve as personal fantasy fodder for purely hetero dudes.

I love Pathfinder. I really do. I say this because I want Pathfinder to be perfect, and because I whole-heartedly respect their efforts to be socially progressive, to be mindful of women’s experiences in tabletop games. I don’t think it is at all hard for it to do better, and the material that I’m talking about should not matter, and I can’t imagine someone paying 30 bucks for a book (or not) based on whether it’s got enough scantily-clad girls in it. At least, not for an RPG book that isn’t using that as its main selling point :P

TL/DR
In short, I’ve perceived that there is a trend of women being placed in positions of sexual subservience, while men – even of the exact same lusty race – are not. It’s a weirdly consistent, borderline fetishistic constant throughout a LOT of Pathfinder materials, and while I’d love to see some real equivalence, I understand that’s not always possible. Failing equivalence, however, there’s another option: to not send that message at all, by no longer allowing material that perpetuates it. I’m not die-hard and bitter about this, however, and I’d love to hear other people’s experiences or reactions, to this, the material I’ve talked about, or whatever you feel like adding (if you feel like you have something to add).