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Honestly there dose seem to be a prevailing opinion that no they have to sacrifice happy lives to be heroes. In fact I think someone at marvel said that flat out at one point.

which is BS. Do Police or Firefighters have to sacrifice happy lives to do their job?

Superman seems pretty happy and stable right now. Happily married with a 10 year old son

I think Superman is the exception at least until a writer decides to retcon it or ruin it.

I never liked the whole "readers don't like seeing comic characters in stable relationships" BS the writers try to use as a excuse as to why more heros don't have more relationships. Villains have relationships why would being a hero make it less easy. It's because the writers don't want to do it. I never quite forgave Marvel breaking up Peter Parker and Mary Jane. Starfire and Nightwing had a what 20-25 year relationship in real time and it mostly went nowhere for the longest time.

Diversity is a good thing. It's when it's pushed into every comic story that's it's not imo. Marvel instead of doing the smart thing and slowly introducing diversity just tried to cram it down ever reader throat. Whether readers wanted it or not. As well those calling for diversity the loudest usually don't end up buying the product. As long as Marvel put diversity into the titles they were happy. Purchasing those newly diversified title that were so badly needed....you must joking. It's also not helped with Marvel one moment saying diversity hurt their sales. Then claiming that too many of their fans were too narrow minded to appreciate diversity.

To second Pan it's not just you DMCal. I am both player and Dm. Their is a lot of stuff to remember in terms of rules. I don't know it all. With bonuses not stacking in Pathfinder it makes a DM job just that more difficult.

Better to be a good DM who does not know all the rules. Instead of a bad one who knows all the rules.

When a author starts a series then writes a novel that ruins the series. In the Defenders of Magic trilogy from Mary Kirchoff. The first book I enjoyed. The second introduces a strange plot element. Granted it's a series about magic on Krynn. The third and final book of the trilogy OMG

It's soured me so much on the Dragonlance series of novels I'm not sure if I will ever read the remaining ones I have.

It's not so much Kenders I disliked it's that they gave

That and most players played them worst than Paladins imo.

Its not diversity that does not sell comics. Its when its forced diversity. Msrvel wrnt from having none to almost every title imo. If they slowly introduced it at a gradual pace it may have gone over much better. Instead it just felt like they were trying to cater to one segment of the fanbase.

Not to mention imo those who are very vocal about diversity usually don't buy comics. They want Marvel or another comic company to introduce diversity. They when they get what they want. Then don't support the product. Even if every c comic is the most diversified as possible.

Sort of like the person complaining about people using too many plastic bags. Yet refuses ro buy recyclable bags because they cost too much.

For me i hope the new story arcs fix the X-titles. They have suffered with Marvel prioritizing the Inhumans.

The Difference Engine and Spring Heeled Jack.

Anyone mind posting the name of the prequel and sequal series from Gail Carringer. I wanted to read more of her books.

The Parasol Protectorate. One of the better Steampunk series imo. Though the author has the main character act for lack of a better word out of character in 9ne of the later novels. So much so that's its rnough to make you either keep reading or stop reading the series altogether imom

Agreed and seconded. i usually do something as well when I can't sleep. Otherwise I end up feeling more tired than just tossing and turning.

To be fair they never said it was. If parents are too lazy to look up the rating of a movie the blame is on them. Not the movie imo.

All good counterpoints. My take is that one should still make a Knowledge roll. Especially at low levels. Or after a few encounters with the same opponent. I would give a bonus to a Rogue trying to identify another being shifty. Not "its a Wizard because it wears a robe" not a first level imo. Knowing everything about a enemy ruins game immersion at least to my players and myself.

For all we know it could just be a war chant that most orcs do. As a player one can't assume that the singing orc is a Bard. That's metagaming imo. I'm not sure which knowledge roll is used to figure it out. That's like saying every person wearing a robe and no armor might be a mage. It could very well be a Monk or Rogue. I see your point. Yet unless one fights Orcs on a regular basis. A one time encounter is not going to be enough for the group to point and say "that's a bard". A smart Dm could have all the regular orcs singing a different song. While the Orc Bard sings the one that Inspires Courage to hide himself.

Bards are awesome force multipliers. This is nothing. Wait until the bard can start given people new saves, bonuses, or the arcane caster a second turn in the round.

Bards are awesome in large parties. You just kind of have to deal with it. The best way to do so is up the action economy on the other side and give the party a ton of enemies to deal with.

A party of 6-7 players is nearly unmanageable. In order to have a good, interesting combat with that kind of party, the encounter will either be super deadly or filled with so many combatants that every combat will take a super long time to resolve.

There's no great solution to this, but I rarely recommend running a game with more than 4-5 PCs.

Agreed and seconded on all of the above

To the Op no it's not imo. Wait until the full casters if you have any in your party starting casting higher level spell. That can be broken imo.

If the Bard really wants to liven the mood at higher levels he can use this http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/h/heroic-finale or and this http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/g/good-hope/ while then casting this http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/m/moment-of-greatness/

Did I mention that Bards and only Bards can cast this http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/a/arcane-concordance/ as well as this http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/s/shadowbard/ and this http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/v/virtuoso-performance/.

So again it's not broken imo.

I have seen kneejerk reactions to 3PP from some Dms. It's either Paizo and official and only that kind or material. Without even looking at 3PP. Or using the excuse that someone told them it was broken. So that means beyond any shadow of doubt that 3pp is broken. I'm all fine with a DM not wanting to use 3pp. At the very least familiarize oneself with 3pp before just saying no to it. If I listened to every instance of something being "broken" in the hobby I would never have bought anything beyond the core.

As for 3.5 being better I found that Wotc devs more than willing to to introduce new and interesting mechanics. The execution may not have always been good. At least they tried. i find that Paizo is too conservative. CRaft Ooze. Usually with Wotc either you could control it. Or it was loyal to the creator with Paizo it's neither and a waste of a feat imo.

That being said when Wotc amde mistakes they made them imo. I remember taking I think it was a Techsmith prestige class. One gets a Gondman as a construct. Think a really horrible terrible mcuh version of a Gearsman. It's bad enough one needs to be a decent level and need certain requirements for the class. Except they nerf the living daylights out of the Gondsman. The first pit trap it fell into it was destroyed.

To me at least both Paizo and Wotc both have good and bad material imo.

As much as i maybe critical of Paizo. I will never ever criticize them for their Humble Bundles. Or any other method they use to get their product to their fans. Paizo needs to do what they need to do to make a profit and increase visibility of their products. While also trying to reach the maximum amount of fans as possible. Whether we like it or not Humble Bundles are the way to go imo. While it's good if they can help the local gaming stores they are under no obligation to do so imo.

Problem there is it's ONLY mutants that prejudice is against, not "mutates" or aliens or dudes with powered armor. Except that one time they were, it was a big deal, and now it's not.

Mutants and only mutants facing prejudice makes sense if say 80-90% of humanity has no superpowers of any kind with 10-20% being mutants. In a world where 50%+ seems to have some kind of superpower or have the technology means to build and acquire them it makes no sense imo. The 10-12 ft tall orange talking rock (The Thing) gets a almost free pass on prejudice because he and the rest of the FF received their powers from cosmic radiation. If anything with the event that start the first Civil War. Their should have been a huge backlash against anyone and everyone with a superpower mutant and non-mutant. Instead mutants and only mutants get the short end of the stick. Asgardian and Skrull invading it's okay they can get a free pass on prejudice because one is alien the other magical.

It matters not the devastation both are responsible for. Damn those mutants and only them for being different and possible being the next step in human evolution. With so many people being different from the norm and nod not just mutants. With racism being so rarely selective the constant hatred on mutants by the writers not only make no sense. It's a obvious, clumsy, heavy handed, boring, stale, rehashed attempt at them using the racism card in the X-men. Don't get me started on the average person causal acceptance of giant killer anti-mutant robots casually going through their neighbourhoods. Ripping apart peoples homes and families. But hey it's okay because damn those mutants and only them for being different and possible being the next step in human evolution. Yeah I used to be a fan of anti-mutant part of the X-men not so much anymore as it never develops beyond humanity blaming mutants and only them for the worlds problems over and over.

Before anyone says it. Sure some characters face fear and prejudice other than mutants. Comparing to what the X-men go through it's not even remotely the same. Not by a long shot.

One thing that some people tend to ignore when they are told to go to College is to earn a degree that will actually lead to if not a good job. A decent enough one that allows one to pay their bills and have some money for themselves. Going to College than getting a degree in Ancient Chinese languages is not the fault of those who told one to go to College. It's the person fault who decided to waste time on a degree not worth the paper. Doing one own thing is all well and good. Taking a subject they will have fun with at College the same. Not realizing that their chocie was a poor one because of "reasons" it's on them. In the end a person is responsible for one own choices good or bad. So the whole "but they told me to go to College" is just a excuse and a poor one for people terrible life choices imo.

I made a poor choice when going to College and ended up having a student loan. I paid it off but I'm not blaming friends or family because they told me to go to College. It's my fault and mine alone for making the wrong choice.

And they should talk to the GM (and the group) and see if they're on the same page about how serious those rp complications will be.

You don't want to be too far off in either direction.

Hell, your GM may have decided to amplify the halfling slavery thing more than you realized. But half-orcs aren't a big deal in your area.

All of this just a change in emphasis, based on existing setting info.

They should talk about yet depending on the setting easier than done sometimes imo. For example Drow are considered evil throughout the Forgotten Realms with few very few exceptions. For a player to choose to play one means becoming a target of bigotry and racism. Otherwise what's stopping everyone from taking Drow, Orc, Hobgoblins or any other more powerful race. Why take human when one can be a Hobgoblin with no repercusions. I get some don't want racism and bigotry in rpgs. Yet they are sometimes tied into the setting. whether we like it or not. Drow would need a major reworking setting wise to be accepted. A DM already has enough one one plate.

Either the table comes to a consensus on how much racism and bigotry they want. Or a player may have to find another table. As much as I want to accomadate a player wanting to play a Drow they are not going to be welcome with open arms at least the frist few levels at most places. Play a non-standard race means taking the positivces with the negatives. Otherwise just play a core race or one that is not subject to bigotry and racism.

It's also easier to do with homebrew setting where A DM and players can define what level of racsim they want. If I were to run a PF game with FR chances are good I'm not going to alter much if anything of it. So the player either accepts their maybe some elements he or she may not like or find another table.

And players who think evil means going on a killing rampage without caring about consequences.

I'm afraid of incorporeal undead and swarms at low levels. Ability damage + difficult to harm.

Forgot about evil being a unthinkable killing machine ala Jason Vorhees. Swarms I hate them as well. They can TPK a unprepared party.

Players who run Paladins as Lawful Stupid. Players who think Chaotic Neutral is a excuse to be a rule breaking anarchist. Unprepared players as they tend to slow gameplay.

So your selling the same material twice and expecting it to somehow be as successful the first time around. That could very well be but I'm skeptical that it will. Those in the hobby won't be be rushing out to buy a rehash imo. It's why some still play 3.5. even if PF is superior imo. As they feel it's more of the same. It could go either way. Which is why I'm not assuming it will be the auto-success that some assume it will be. Notr will I assume a full 2E will be as successful either. It could go either way. Chances are we will never see any major changes anyway. Or even a revised better organized CRB. Not unless they sell out of all their current printings. Nor will i assume that people will stop buying simply because I'm unhappy with some elements of the rpg.

BTW I never said it was just about me. Their are plenty who feel the same way. They simply are less vocal about it. I never said a new edition.

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You may have to prepare yourself for the possibility you are odd man out.

Possibly but I also think some vastly overestimating how many people want to buy the same rules twice. Just because some do does not mean everyone else will. Just as I won't assume everyone wants to by a completley new edition.

I'm fully expecting

Roy: look out for that pointy ridge
Giant: which Ridge (splat)
Roy: So much for it being a little fall.

Starfinder though has to cater to both old and new fans. Offer enough new material without it being a new edition. Simply taking the PF core and putting in new art and better organization. While helpful and useful. Is not worth purchasing a second time to my group and myself. That's the main issue with Starfinder or any attempt at any new edition. They won't please everyone nor should they imo. One way or the other some fans will be lost. Just like the transition between 2E and 3E. The solution is either more Unchained books or a new edition.

It comes down to finding a proper middle ground. Not changing too much. Yet also making sure not to change too little. Both options will alienate fans.

If it's the same core book with better organization and art. But nothing changed. Their is very little reason for people to buy the same material twice. Even buying online I can't personally justify the expense. As for 4E and 5E. Just as 5E was announced. A month or so later. Suddenly Pathfinder Unchained is announced as a new product by absolute sheer coincidence. With a bunch of optional rules and fixes to certain classes. That up until that point. The devs were in no real hurry to fix. PU was released because unlike fans they saw that they might lose some fans to 5E and with the book try to keep them.

I find it both funny and strange that some here think the name Pathfinder is something that will turn away those interested in the rpg. Mostly no one cares imo. When we have a generic system that sounds like it's named after a bowel movement (Gurps). It still seems to sell fairly well imo. Unless the rpg has something truly negative attached to it say like FATAL again no one cares. If it's something that seems fun and interesting a person will buy it.

Alignment I think is something that either needs to be written and developed properly. Or removed altogether. If other rpgs can get buy without and it makes the game run smoothly for both players and DMs why do we really need it. Or better explained instead of vague descriptions too open to abuse by both players and DMs. Even Order of the Stick makes fun of it and with good reason.

Torg had a interesting spell to that affect. Unbelievers Doom. It damaged those who were of a different religion. The more far removed from the caster the opponent(s) relgion was the more damage it caused. The spell description also included a chart to see how much more damage was caused.

Viva Senor Toz Viva!

I understand why 5E made them LE. A skeleton(s)that spontaneously arises on it's own could and should be Neutral. One commanded to rise by a Necromancer to me at least comes across as being brought to life with evil energy. So they would be evil imo.

El Kabong

Ladies and gentlemen how about actually I don't know talking about the actual product. As opposed to turning this into "I don't like some of the changes to 4E FR and here why" thread.

andygal wrote:

No alien hive mind hordes looking to assimilate everyone, it's been done to death.

But resistance is FUTILE.

Wrong Resistance is Useless ;)

An attempt to make the various cultures and races stand out. Not take Dwarves and simply reskin and rehash the existing ones from Pathfinder.

This is true for the majority of published settings, going all the way back to the older TSR settings.

Seconded. I never quite understand and probably never will on how some can say that D&D and it's background are medieval. Yes many backgrounds have fantasy elements. Last time I checked the middle ages never had Beholders or Mind Flayers. The closest rpg I have ever seen is Ars Magica.

I'm just glad to have killer clowns from outer space.

Killer Klowns from Outer space..Holy ****

As idealistic a goal it may be, I'd prefer the rules provide balanced support for as wide a range as characters as possible so that no one has to make that compromise.

Not to mention there is no good reason we can't get both good fluff and mechanics at the same time. More often than not "one mans garbage is another mans treasure" usually ends up being garbage that no one will ever take and rarely treasured imo.

One also has to realize that Paizo is in the business of making both a great rpg and a profit. They can't very well keep supporting a ediiton that is making them lose money. Simply because fans have invested money into books. I'm not saying that the current one is by any means. Neither should they lose profit because it may make some fans unhappy either.

I don't think the system is complex. Neither is it for beginners imo. At least not without a fellow gamer who has not played it.

Which again brings up the issue of attracting the same fans or new fans with no or little changes. To too much new material and alienate some fo the current fans. Possibly more unchanged books is the key. Reprints with little to no changes are not imo.

On the other end of the spectrum one has those who still play 3.5. and refuse to convert to PF. While at the same time wishing Wotc would make new material. It's like their a new source of non-Wotc materai already to be useed. Personally I could never go back to 3.5. I like what they did with the Paladin and sorcerer.

But 3.5 is "compatible" according to Pathfinder, thus they should.

They should. Many simply won't. Whether it's because they are misinformed about how broken some of the 3.5 material is. Some like me too lazy to convert the material over. More often than not some insist and still insist on Pathfinder and/or Pathfinder compitable only. I think since the PF core has been released I have been in three games where 3.5 material was used. Even then very little. I'm not saying that gamers in the hobby don't. It's probably not as big of a group as we think it is.

If you don't like:

1) Martial/Caster disparity: don't play a single-classed fighter
or at level 17+
2) Vancian Casting: play a spontaneous caster

No new edition needed!

Thank you for telling us both the obvious and something we already knew. While also highlighting some flaws of the rules.

The vocal minority on the internet is not representative of the company as a whole, you want numbers? Paizo isn't dead, and people are still biting their products. There's your numbers.

Neither side knows the numbers really except for Paizo. Just because fans keep buying product does not mean they are happy with every aspect of the rpg. I dislike the Vancian system. I'm still buying their books as a whole I enjoy most of the system. Not to mention most gamers are completists imo they will buy everything. As for biting products. Eh I have heard of weirder stuff happening in the hobby.

Can we please stick to topic without insulting a entire generation of gamers. Just saying.

I'm not exactly sure how asking them to both release something new and updated. Yet not too different. Is realistic and feasible imo. As I said it is really hard to accomplish. As no matter waht it will alienate fas. I can justify buying another CRB with nothing new. Just as I can understand will not buy a crb if it's too different. I think they may as well keep producing the current edition until it becomes non-proftiable for them to do so.

It's a classic case of damned if you do and damned if you don't.

Can we add "B" movie suggestions to the list?

My theory about Mystique and it being tied into X-men Apocaylpse comes from what was done with the character in the Wolverines series. The writer promised to do something new with Mystique. Then in the final issue had her revert to her usual evil ways. Meaning their was no way and I mean no way that Magneto was to have her join him. Even if it was in a non-official capacity. How many times does she have to betray the X-me or her current group of allies. Yet lo and behold she is in Uncanny X-men. In story it makes no sense. The only reason out of story was to tie it into the movie.

Which at the time Uncanny was relaunched a few months before X-men Apoc was released in cinemas. Given ghow much of a role Mystique had in the movie. It's one hell of a conicedence imo. The timing was too perfect. Her insanity been cured a looonnngg time ago.

I don't see it as the Dm killing the player imo. The player who kept getting attacked. Instead of flying back to his group decided to press on. Even when it was not the best tactic to do. Even with a new player. If one is getting peppered with arrows common sense dictates to retreat or look for cover. Not charge blindly ahead expecting nothing to happen. If what the DM says true the player made a bunch of bad mistakes and payed for it.

Never split the party is valid at leve l1 as it is for every other level. As for targetting antother character. Why would the Sprites whom they can see are hurting the Paladin suddenly target another character. It too makes no tactial sense. Let alone a good decision. The player died and it's unfortunate. Sometimes though one has to accept personal responsability for poor decisions at the game table. At the very least he should have retreated back to the group. Not blindly run away as fast as he could. Who knows what else he could have encountered.