I will preface my comment by stating I am not happy about PF1 PFS coming to an end. I enjoy the characters I have in that system and fully intend to continue to use them in PF1 as long as I am able.
That being said, and after much thought on the issue, I do not think allowing PF1 characters to be converted into PF2 solves that issue. Additionally, I do not think conversion is even viable. Many of the characters I see on the boards (primarily a PbP player) use the full gambit of available materials and options and will not convert into the new game mechanics. This includes races and archetypes as well as boons and what not. I do not see the point of someone converting a teifling gloomblade over to PF2 as it would strip all of the flavor and mechanics from the character in exchange for just allowing the player to basically start with a X level player. From the snippets shown thus far, and I am sure will be made more evident when the books finally hit the wild, PF2 characters for PFS need to be started clean slate.
The bottom line is that PF2 looks like it will be a very different game from PF1. The archetypes will not work the same and many of the options available for PF1, a game with ten years of content, will just not be there when PF2 launches.
I think the two games will be competing against each other for player's time for a while, at least a year or two as the many folks out there who still enjoy PF1 continue to exhaust the available content and PF2 is put through its paces. I would love to see Paizo do a limited license, ala the OP content for the other company's game, to allow a 3PP to publish new PF1 scenarios. I think the market for new PF1 materiel, specifically for PFS, will be there for quite some time if fostered.
The playtest rapidly approaches and I am excited to see the fresh take on the game in totality. Paizo is a great company and has cultivated a fantastic RPG community here.
Any chance of Paizo doing a limited license to one or a select few 3PP to continue producing PF1 PFS scenarios? I would point to the DM's Guild as a model for how that could be implemented. I have not played the latest addition of the other system but have looked into it recently and it appears that those coastal spellcasters allow 3PPs to actually sell scenarios that are officially part of their organized play campaign. I see no reason why Paizo could not do something similar. This would allow PF1 to continue to flourish and allow the great staff at Paizo to concentrate on the new stuff. Sounds like a classic Michael Scott win-win-win scenario. Win for Paizo, win for PF1 PFS fans and win for 3PPs.
I love drafts! Great app to draft posts on mobile. Still working on my first GM on slides, but I know I will miss drawings to a degree. Tusk, do not hesitate to fire up a board to GM. I have had nothing but great experiences on PbP boards. We are very lucky to have such a great and supportive community here.
That's exactly what I am doing. I have to admit that is going to annoy me unless I can get used to it. I run games almost exclusively from my ancient mac or a beat up chromebook, both use a track pad. I am going to give it a try regardless and hope I can get used to it.
Great map pack WMIGM. I kind of get how to set it up now but I experienced something while sifting through the slide/maps. When I am running games in drawings, I usually zoom in 200% and use track pad to navigate the image. When I do that in slides, I kept tending to slide into the next slide unintentionally. Is there any way to prevent that?
Yes, thanks for the clarification IH. Out of curiosity, how do you think PF2 will effect this? DO you think PbP will still get support for PF1 organized play past official release of PF2 in 2019? I know I am probably asking a speculative question here but just curious on the thoughts of the leadership on this issue.
I agree splitting up Online Region into VTTs and PbP is a good idea. No way PbP games will turn into a boon factory, even fast track games take a few weeks to run through usually. I am sure people can try to game the system, but to what end really? I agree with Shifty that GMs deserve those boons for running games for the enjoyment of the community. I bet most GMs who regularly run games have a stack of race boons that they will never get to use now that PFS for PF1 is being discontinued. If people are going volunteer their time and effort to run games, I say give them stacks of boons.
Anyway, +1 for more PbP cons.
Is PaizoCon a real con or are there PbP elements as well? Sorry for the dumb question. I am from Germany and never have the opportunity to visit cons so I am not familiar with the format. :-)
A virtual PaizoCon PbP Gameday, running around same time of PaizoCon sounds like a great idea though. Don't think I will make a live PaizoCon in the near future because reasons so I would totally be on board for a PbP gameday to celebrate Paizo with the peeps who also cannot make it in meatspace.
Socrates, good luck with your new game. I think the following thread/guides are great introductions for new PbP players.
10 Questions that will make your PFS roleplaying blossom. An excellent post by KestlerGunner designed to help flesh out your PFS character.
Building a Better Doomed Hero: Painlord’s Advanced Play-by-Post Play. My go to guide on how to play play-by-post games in PFS.
Hear that Shifty. I remember the AD&D days. Nothing ever really captivated me like the original PHB and Unearthed Arcana until I first read the Pathfinder Core Rulebook. Still really enjoy PF1, but willing to see what PF2 has to offer. No matter what happens, there is a big part of me hoping PF1 PFS PbP continues for a long long time to come.
Hey, here's an idea. Why not let 3PP's start publishing sanctioned PF1 PFS content ala the WotC Dungeon Master's guild? Think that would solve a lot of the angst surrounding PF2. Anyway, just a thought.
I know its way early, but just curious if there has been a discussion of how Flaxseed will operate in the future after PF2. I plan on levelling my -1 through Seeker at least and was curious if we are still going to be able to use this Lodge as a place to recruit and join PF1 PFS games or if this forum will convert to PF2. I think it would be tough to recruit both here, but not impossible I suppose. Just curious.
I hear you on this Patrick. Change and progress is inevitable, and this is a game after all. I am sure the good folks at Paizo have been looking to do this for a while now and I certainly will check out the playtest and see what they have in store, but the sad truth is that FE is now a dead game walking. I have been mulling this over for the last few days when I learned of SE and the upcoming playtest and to say I have mixed feelings in an understatement.
As for SE, I have no doubt it will be a great game. The designers at Paizo know gaming, are very talented and creative, and flat out know the biz and churn out great stuff. Pathfinder was the reason I came out of gaming hibernation, not touching a game for well over 15 years. I stumbled across the core rulebook and was frankly blown away. I absolutely loved what they did with 3.5. After reading Inner Sea Guide, I was hooked. I started buying up rulebooks, splat books, modules. Dove right into Hero Lab and am still working, or rather was working, my way to having all the data sets. As I poured through the materiel, so many character concepts kept leaping out at me through the pages.
As an added bonus, I discovered the wonderful gaming community here on the Paizo boards. That led me to my most recent gaming passion, PFS PbP games. I have been an active player and mostly active GM for several years. I was looking forward to Planar Adventures and thought the FE ship had many more voyages ahead. The playtest announcement really hit me out of the blue, as I know it did for most folks.
This is not the first edition change I have been through as I am sure many if not all the people here have been. I have yet to have a good experience with any of them. The main reason I so heavily invested in Pathfinder was my certainty in its longevity. The system has lasted for what, 20 years? I concluded there was a reason for that. People liked the system. Sure it has its flaws, but it was a good system that was fun to play.
Again, I am trying my best to keep an open mind, but I am an old gamer and as I write this I cannot escape this one thought: I do not want to start over again. I love my PFS characters and am not happy about the upcoming pnp equivalent of a server wipe. I am not happy losing the hundreds and hundreds of character options I have collected over the years. I am not happy about all the cash I dumped into hero lab and that Lone Wolf will no doubt use SE as a way to force everyone to Hero Lab Online, for more up front dough and a monthly subscription.
I know the counter to my unhappiness is the old "you can play FE as long as you want" and "no one is stealing your books" etc. But frankly, Paizo itself never subscribed to that philosophy. Pathfinder was created because the company recognized that the 3.5 system would die if it was abandoned. I suspect FE will rapidly decline in amount of games available and certainly for PFS which the only way I play the game now.
In any event, I apologize for the rant. This is not meant for a call to action or a request for Paizo to do x, y or z. I still think Paizo is the best company in gaming and hope the SE transition is a positive for them and Pathdfinder in general. I just needed to get these thoughts off my chest and this thread seemed like a good a place as any.
tl;dr Bummer +1
Wei Ji the Learner wrote:
An MMO that is true to the lore of Golarion would be great. What I mean by that is where you can play a class from the TTRPG and run round Golarion doing stuff. I would likely subscribe to that for a while if the monthly was reasonable or better yet like a pre-paid phone service where you buy a chunk of game time and are able to use it as time allows.
Another idea for a game I had kicking around my brain was a PFS version on phone/ios/android what would be something like a pick up game. I had this idea playing Clash of Clans and seeing that games matching system. The thought is that you open the app and join a PFS game. The game matches you with a GM and players and the game launches into a digital version of a PFS scenario. Not sure how the actual game interface would work, but I imagine you do not need something thats graphic intensive. I just like the idea of finding time in my day, picking up my phone or tablet, hitting a "join" button and be playing a PFS scenario in a few minutes. Probably too ambitious but this is a speculative thread anyway, right?
I'm Hiding In Your Closet wrote:
I keep wishing they'd bring back the various Faction traits that went away when their affiliated Factions were retired/reformed (Qadira's Eastern Mysteries, Cheliax's Fires of Hell, Shadow Lodge's Medic, Lantern Lodge's Meridian Strike, etc etc), or just make them available again somehow, somewhere.
I concur with this thought. I thought PFS in general lost a bit of its direct connection to the world of Golarion when the national factions were discontinued. One suggestion could be to allow players to chose a nationality or national origin at character creation much like Starfinder's home world. While not being a faction, a background nation of origin would add character depth, story and unlock background traits options during character creation. As an added bonus, backgrounds could also unlock the old vanities tied to the various national factions (Eagle Knight, Hellknight, Risen Guard, etc.).
Anyway, just a thought.
Hilary Moon Murphy wrote:
A natural fit, but I think traffic on faction posts was heaviest when they were featured on the splash page for PFS. Come to think of it, they really should put the PbP forums on the splash page for PFS. All PbP games I have played have been Society games. Would be a great way to get new players to jump right into games by making them easier to find.
Per the guide, you can rebuild the character from scratch before reaching level 2. After level 2, you can retrain per rules set forth in Ultimate Campaign but its expensive. So bottom line, you could rebuild your nagaji to make him human if you wanted. Or, you could play a human ninja during the campaign and assign the chronicles to the nagaji. Remember, the character you play during the campaign is not a pfs character. You will get chronicles to assign to a pfs character upon completion.
Wow. Lot of interest for this game, but that's great! I know I am late to the party but will throw my hat into the ring in case there is a lottery or something.
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That is just a concept would love to play, but I would play any character necessary to fulfill party needs. I am confident I could whip up a decent concept and backstory to fit any roll.
Very cool of you to run an AP like this and open it up to the community Redelia, thank you for your time and consideration. If I don't make the cut, no worries and have a great game. It's threads like this one that make these forums the absolute best gaming community bar none.
Peace, Love and Good Gaming
I know how you feel Rumpin. My -1 was originally member of Cheliax faction and is in a similar situation, second son of a minor noble house that was essentially excommunicated because he had infernally tainted blood (infernal bloodline sorcerer) and was accepted into service with Paracountess Dralneen. After the faction change, I have been downplaying that aspect of the character but, in his mind, he is still Chellish and does intend to return to the homeland one day. He has his eye on a Chellish country house once he has enough PPs to spare to pull the trigger. So far, the character has worked fine during scenarios.
As an aside, I really miss the old factions. I understand what the OP team did with them and they are very interesting and give players some fun options, but I really liked how the old factions tied PFS directly to the world of Golarion. Personally, the rich game world is the thing that draws me the most into Pathfinder and my -1 was inspired by reading through the Core Rulebook and Inner Sea World Guide. I really liked how my fresh new character felt immediately immersed in the meta plot and the world.