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Cevah wrote:


ESM: Evolved Summoned Monster
FS: Ferocious Summons (Orc/Half-Orc)
HS: Harrowed Summoning
SacS: Sacred Summons
SupS: Superior Summoning
SEM: Summon Evil Monster
SGM: Summon Good Monster
SNM: Summon Neutral Monster

Looking at this neatly compiled collection by Cevah in this thread, which of these feats can be applied to a summoner's summon monster ability?

I heard that augment summoning and superior summoning can, but I'm not sure if that was an actual ruling, or what it might or might not imply about the legality of using the rest on their SLA.

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Sorry to necro, but this applies to a character I'm currently running.

I don't see why it wouldn't work with an improved familiar. I thought pathfinder had a clause that "Specific trumps general" when it came to rules. The general rule for "Beast Shape #" is: "When you cast this spell, you can assume the form of any Small or Medium creature of the animal type"

The witch's Familiar Form is a specific, that allows her to take the form of her familiar as if using beast shape II.
As in, this specific rule allows the familiar to be a qualifying shape, trumping the general rule.

So, it seems reasonable that even if her familiar doesn't fit the "animal" type, that it would be fine. There might not be various sizes of the forms, as Edgar quickly pointed out, but it should still work.

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I can't believe that's how the normal rules are ruling it O_o

Summoning fiendish vipers to fight the baddies and save the innocent children of a village shouldn't make you evil just because the summon spell gained an evil descriptor.
otherwise summoning several hordes of celestial firebeetles to lay waste to an orphanage would then make you good, right?

Good for PFS for making an exception. They should keep it, and leave it as is.

Besides, yeah, a few people have pointed out now that Cheliax players might end up walking a fine line, thematically.