bookrat wrote:
Elegos wrote:
The problem is that while there are 36 possible fighters, those 36 possible fighters are not particularly different outside of"wields a different weapon"
And any 2 "great weapon champion" fighters are going to be practically identical. Meanwhile in pf2 withnchoices every level you get a real diversity of options.
Funny that in the many games I've run for 5e, I've never actually seen two GW Fighters that were identical.
This white room analysis of 5e is very poorly done and shows a great misunderstanding of the system.
Even for two completely identical characters, say two variant human champion fighters with GWM, and the outlander background, both wielding great swords - those two can still be unqiue people just by putting in the tiniest effort of role-playing. All you have to do is think beyond the character sheet; don't rely on your character sheet "buttons" as the only options you have in game. This isn't a video game, and the mechanics aren't the end-all-be-all of the system.
When people talk about role-play vs roll-play, this is almost literally what they mean. Folks claiming that two characters are identical just because they share some of the mechanics together are those exact type of folks who miss out on all the wonderful role-playing aspects of the game. Don't skip that; there's a lot of fun to he had in that arena, and you can really bring out the flavor and personality of your character with it.
And if you don't believe me, then I challenge you to try it. Play a game where you're all required to play mechanically identical characters, and see how the role-play can make each of you shine in your own unique way.
I just genuinely don't understand this argument, it seems to come from a lack of understanding that you can both roll dice AND role-play with your friends at the same time. You literally just said "Even for two completely identical characters,..." you should have ended your comment there and realized that played exactly into what the poster you quoted was talking about. I can role-play a frail middle aged gnome wizard with PTSD from his time as an artillery mage in the mage wars of 3288 in any system that lets me be both a gnome and a wizard, I can't get more options in a system with less options.