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The Demagogue bard archetype gains two abilities I'm confused about.

First is Incite violence.

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At 6th level, the demagogue can use his performance to fan the fury of a crowd of people he has fascinated. Using this ability does not disrupt the fascinate effect, but does require a standard action to activate (in addition to the free action to continue the fascinate effect). The bard selects a number of targets equal to his level, who must make Will saves (DC 10 + 1/2 the bard’s level + the bard’s Charisma modifier) or be affected by rage for a number of rounds equal to the bard’s level. The bard indicates who is the intended target of violence (either after using this ability or as part of the performance leading to it) and the enraged members of the crowd immediately attack the target if possible.

How can he fascinate a crowd ? Fascinate can only affect 3 targets at level 6, 7 at level 20, that's hardly a crowd, and he can't select among them a number of targets equal to his level. Does the ability refers to a crowd he has gathered with the Gather Crowd ability of the archetype, instead of fascinated ?

Then

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Righteous Cause (Ex): At 18th level, the demagogue can lift a crowd’s emotions and turn them toward a common purpose. First, he must fascinate the crowd, and then use incite violence without designating a target, at which point he can use righteous cause. Instead of driving the crowd with anger, he fills them with purpose. Fascinated creatures must make Will saves (DC 10 + 1/2 the bard’s level + the bard’s Charisma modifier) to resist. Those who fail are affected by mass suggestion of a plausible idea that lingers with them for one day. Typical uses of this ability are to spark rebellion, overthrow a king, build a beneficial structure such as an orphanage, or donate money to a cause. This ability replaces mass suggestion.

7 targets (assuming they all failed their second will save) working together for one day can't overthrow a king or build an orphanage. Even sparking a rebellion would be hard if those seven are just commoners passing on that street (and donating money is something a regular mass suggestion would achieve). How does that work ? Is the rest of the crowd supposed to be affected too ?


In the original dragon article (AD&D or 2ed, don't remember), there's the ability to do additional dices of damage, called Surprise attacks. I didn't know how to fit it back in, so I didn't try, but that could make an alternative to some abilities I added.

The capstone dance is inspired by a monster from Curse of the Crimson Throne, the Danse macabre... I was disappointed with the monster, that didn't look or act like the traditional representation of the Danse Macabre, and the original name of that dance made me think of that, so I tried to copy the original thing in game terms.
If you don't know what I'm talking about, see the wikipedia article for danse macabre or dance of death.