As is often the case with pathfinder for me, I made some assumptions on how something works and then in mid-game found out it's different.
1) Determining the properties of a magic item now works off of appraise?
2) However, you need to use detect magic to performt the task?
Then, as I see, identify isn't required, but adds a +10 to the check.
3) Can this task be performed untrained?
4) Can you take 10?
5) Can you take 20?