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nicely put Bardarok, lol
i thank you folks for your insight, i will have a little chat with my group the next time we get together. as a player one sometimes wants to kill before being killed, but one has to take into consideration how their class and even character backstory comes into play. so as in most things in life..... no black and white, just areas of gray.


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most Dire creature are Neutral so other than it try to bite/claw off your face is there any reason to kill them outright?

it came up in a game where the druid at 1st level tried to use animal empathy to prevent the Dire Rats from attacking, sadly he failed and the rest of the party is unhappy that he did not outright attack it.
i looked at the description of the template and it makes me wonder if he should not be admonished by the other players for trying to adjust it's attitude toward them.
i was always under the impression that dire creatures were evil and to be killed when ever possible. i am new to pathfinder and so many things are changed from 2nd and 3rd edition of D&D.


Thanks very much Shin, my Google-fu was not good enough


i have seen this trait mentioned several times but not which Paizo product it is in, could someone help me out here?