Dynamite Announces Limited-Edition Seoni Statue!

Oh there it is.

Neat.

Don't really need a statue, but the T-shirt is awesome, so I might back at $30 to get one.

Wish the incentive to get James to sign a Sandpoint book was as easily wrangled as well, but I do understand incentive. I wish them well.

Nice, but I would've preferred the new not-stripperific outfit

Hardcover of Spiral of Bones! Sweet!

I've been waiting years for this. Instant pledge!

Nice, but I would've preferred the new not-stripperific outfit

Not a stripperific outfit. It's the outfit of someone who is comfortable with herself and her body, seeing no need to conform to the prudish instincts of some in society, and who knows she can magically defend herself against any who would seek to take advantage.

Roswynn wrote:

Nice, but I would've preferred the new not-stripperific outfit

Not a stripperific outfit. It's the outfit of someone who is comfortable with herself and her body, seeing no need to conform to the prudish instincts of some in society, and who knows she can magically defend herself against any who would seek to take advantage.

Of course, that's something easily said when you spend all your life wearing black oversized t-shirts and jeans. Well OK, with an occasional dash of risque fashion in form of an utilikilt. Those hairy legs, rawrrrr!

Roswynn wrote:

Nice, but I would've preferred the new not-stripperific outfit

Not a stripperific outfit. It's the outfit of someone who is comfortable with herself and her body, seeing no need to conform to the prudish instincts of some in society, and who knows she can magically defend herself against any who would seek to take advantage.

And also the outfit of someone who is a fictional character that did not get to pick her own outfit. In setting she may be comfortable with it, but that doesn't make it not be a stripperific outfit.

Desna's Avatar wrote:

Roswynn wrote:

Nice, but I would've preferred the new not-stripperific outfit

Not a stripperific outfit. It's the outfit of someone who is comfortable with herself and her body, seeing no need to conform to the prudish instincts of some in society, and who knows she can magically defend herself against any who would seek to take advantage.

And also the outfit of someone who is a fictional character that did not get to pick her own outfit. In setting she may be comfortable with it, but that doesn't make it not be a stripperific outfit.

A fictional character, really??? Who knew! Thanks for the help. :)

It's not a "stripperific outfit" because we have no evidence of strippers in Golarion wearing outfits like Seoni's.

Rysky wrote:

Desna's Avatar wrote:

Roswynn wrote:

Nice, but I would've preferred the new not-stripperific outfit

Not a stripperific outfit. It's the outfit of someone who is comfortable with herself and her body, seeing no need to conform to the prudish instincts of some in society, and who knows she can magically defend herself against any who would seek to take advantage.

And also the outfit of someone who is a fictional character that did not get to pick her own outfit. In setting she may be comfortable with it, but that doesn't make it not be a stripperific outfit.

A fictional character, really??? Who knew! Thanks for the help. :)

It's not a "stripperific outfit" because we have no evidence of strippers in Golarion wearing outfits like Seoni's.

Seriously?

Stripperiffic does not literally mean "clothes that strippers wear" (though they could, they have all sorts of outfits). It's impractical, sexy, revealing clothing, which is what her outfit is.

We went through several iterations to arrive at the final dress, and modified it to be a little more modest in the process. This is 1st edition Seoni, though, not 2nd edition, so we tried to strike a balance.

It's bordering on socially unacceptable for people to be attracted to attractive things while it's increasingly acceptable for people to be offended by whatever they want - and have that acted upon. Supporting art that depicts attractive - if somewhat impractical - figures just seems to start argument storms, so many will simply be silent.

Suffice it to say, some people have complaints and some people don't have complaints.

It's bordering on socially unacceptable for people to be attracted to attractive things

Supporting art that depicts attractive - if somewhat impractical - figures just seems to start argument storms,

Hilariously the argument here has more gone on due to her outfit being labeled stripperiffic rather than actually being stripperiffic at this point.

Desna's Avatar wrote:

Rysky wrote:

Desna's Avatar wrote:

Roswynn wrote:

Nice, but I would've preferred the new not-stripperific outfit

Not a stripperific outfit. It's the outfit of someone who is comfortable with herself and her body, seeing no need to conform to the prudish instincts of some in society, and who knows she can magically defend herself against any who would seek to take advantage.

And also the outfit of someone who is a fictional character that did not get to pick her own outfit. In setting she may be comfortable with it, but that doesn't make it not be a stripperific outfit.

A fictional character, really??? Who knew! Thanks for the help. :)

It's not a "stripperific outfit" because we have no evidence of strippers in Golarion wearing outfits like Seoni's.

Seriously?

Stripperiffic does not literally mean "clothes that strippers wear" (though they could, they have all sorts of outfits). It's impractical, sexy, revealing clothing, which is what her outfit is.

Yes, seriously.

"Stripperific" is a slang term, and does not have a codified meaning. It's subjective, and certainly reasonable to assume that it could mean "like a stripper would wear".

Revealing, sexy clothing is not necessarily impractical AT ALL for a female with the weight of high magic behind her. Quite the contrary. Seoni is not a martial character, in case you forgot.

Nothing about her outfit makes me think of a stripper. Sure, it's sexy and revealing, but plenty of people who have nothing to do with stripping wear sexy and revealing clothing. Nothing wrong with that at all.

We went through several iterations to arrive at the final dress, and modified it to be a little more modest in the process. This is 1st edition Seoni, though, not 2nd edition, so we tried to strike a balance.

Thanks Glenn, it looks great. Hopefully, there is room at Paizo to depict individuals in Golarion who are both modest and immodest, of all genders.

I think “stripperific” and “immodest” are both fine descriptions, but the clothes don’t really matter, imo.

For me, this kind of question is all about her stance and the context in which she appears (the latter is relevant more for drawings than statues, I guess). Here, she’s strong and in control, not doing any of those unnatural poses where women are depicted pushing their curves in all directions.

Rysky wrote:

Desna's Avatar wrote:

Rysky wrote:

Desna's Avatar wrote:

Roswynn wrote:

Nice, but I would've preferred the new not-stripperific outfit

Not a stripperific outfit. It's the outfit of someone who is comfortable with herself and her body, seeing no need to conform to the prudish instincts of some in society, and who knows she can magically defend herself against any who would seek to take advantage.

And also the outfit of someone who is a fictional character that did not get to pick her own outfit. In setting she may be comfortable with it, but that doesn't make it not be a stripperific outfit.

A fictional character, really??? Who knew! Thanks for the help. :)

It's not a "stripperific outfit" because we have no evidence of strippers in Golarion wearing outfits like Seoni's.

Seriously?

Stripperiffic does not literally mean "clothes that strippers wear" (though they could, they have all sorts of outfits). It's impractical, sexy, revealing clothing, which is what her outfit is.

Yes, seriously.

"Stripperific" is a slang term, and does not have a codified meaning. It's subjective, and certainly reasonable to assume that it could mean "like a stripper would wear".

Revealing, sexy clothing is not necessarily impractical AT ALL for a female with the weight of high magic behind her. Quite the contrary. Seoni is not a martial character, in case you forgot.

Nothing about her outfit makes me think of a stripper. Sure, it's sexy and revealing, but plenty of people who have nothing to do with stripping wear sexy and revealing clothing. Nothing wrong with that at all.

Stripperific means sexy, revealing, and impractical and what it’s always been used for.Which is besides the point if you’re saying it’s subjective but then immediately trying to point out it’s not by saying our understanding of the word is wrong.

It’s impractical regardless of her magic cause that’s what it is, she has ways around the impracticality but it doesn’t make the outfit not be impractical, just like saying her outfit isn’t red. It is.

“Stripperiffic meaning something a stripper wears and if you’re not a stripper it can’t be a strippiffic outfit” is just a meaning you’re using and in your own words “subjective” as plenty of others here knows what stripperiffic means in regards to clothing.

I have never claimed there is anything wrong with sexual attire. Pointing out something is sexual or stripperiffic is not a condemnation of sensual subjects. But saying her outfit isn’t stripperiffic is the same as saying her outfit isn’t red.

I think “stripperific” and “immodest” are both fine descriptions, but the clothes don’t really matter, imo.

For me, this kind of question is all about her stance and the context in which she appears (the latter is relevant more for drawings than statues, I guess). Here, she’s strong and in control, not doing any of those unnatural poses where women are depicted pushing their curves in all directions.

Agreed.

Desna's Avatar wrote:

Rysky wrote:

Desna's Avatar wrote:

Rysky wrote:

Desna's Avatar wrote:

Roswynn wrote:

Nice, but I would've preferred the new not-stripperific outfit

Not a stripperific outfit. It's the outfit of someone who is comfortable with herself and her body, seeing no need to conform to the prudish instincts of some in society, and who knows she can magically defend herself against any who would seek to take advantage.

And also the outfit of someone who is a fictional character that did not get to pick her own outfit. In setting she may be comfortable with it, but that doesn't make it not be a stripperific outfit.

A fictional character, really??? Who knew! Thanks for the help. :)

It's not a "stripperific outfit" because we have no evidence of strippers in Golarion wearing outfits like Seoni's.

Seriously?

Stripperiffic does not literally mean "clothes that strippers wear" (though they could, they have all sorts of outfits). It's impractical, sexy, revealing clothing, which is what her outfit is.

Yes, seriously.

"Stripperific" is a slang term, and does not have a codified meaning. It's subjective, and certainly reasonable to assume that it could mean "like a stripper would wear".

Revealing, sexy clothing is not necessarily impractical AT ALL for a female with the weight of high magic behind her. Quite the contrary. Seoni is not a martial character, in case you forgot.

Nothing about her outfit makes me think of a stripper. Sure, it's sexy and revealing, but plenty of people who have nothing to do with stripping wear sexy and revealing clothing. Nothing wrong with that at all.

Stripperific means sexy, revealing, and impractical and what it’s always been used for.Which is besides the point if you’re saying it’s subjective but then immediately trying to point out it’s not by saying our understanding of the word is wrong.

It’s impractical...

Again, there is no codified meaning for "stripperific" as it's a slang term and somewhat subjective.

The term was used in a derogative sense here, as if something is wrong with the way the character is portrayed and implying that female fantasy characters should "cover up".

I've never seen a stripper wear clothing like Seoni's and it doesn't make me think of stripping in the least. Saying something is "stripperific" is clearly a reference to strippers, meaning that the clothing is something a stripper would wear or reminds the user of stripping.

It's 2018 and women are free to wear what they will, feeling comfortable and secure in their bodies, without being accused of looking like strippers.

And no, Seoni's clothing is not impractical in the least. For someone with access to both mundane and powerful magic, dressing in revealing clothing is not impractical at all. So even using your definition, it's not "stripperific", it's simply revealing.

Again, there is no codified meaning for "stripperific" as it's a slang term and somewhat subjective.

The term was used in a derogative sense here, as if something is wrong with the way the character is portrayed and implying that female fantasy characters should "cover up".

I've never seen a stripper wear clothing like Seoni's and it doesn't make me think of stripping in the least.

Saying something is "stripperific" is clearly a reference to strippers, meaning that the clothing is something a stripper would wear or reminds the user of stripping.

It's 2018 and women are free to wear what they will, feeling comfortable and secure in their bodies,

without being accused of looking like strippers.

And no, Seoni's clothing is not impractical in the least.

So even using your definition, it's not "stripperific", it's simply revealing.

That is explicitly what stripperiffic means.

New thread rule: you're only allowed to (civilly) debate the meaning of the word "stripperific" and whether or not Seoni is an empowered woman if you have backed the Kickstarter (at any level).

Thanks for your support!

Good rule Mark.

I'm not interested in debating the definition of a slang term that is defined differently depending on which random webpage you happen to be on. The very fact that "stripperific" contains the word "stripper" within it means that the object it refers to is related to a stripper in some form or fashion. So by the very nature of the word, stripperific accuses the object of looking like a stripper.

And no, just because some random webpage contains a definition of the term does not make it codified. I can create a webpage with a definition too. :)

By the way, multiple random webpage sources contain different definitions of the word. For instance, both Urban Dictionary and Definithing contain this definition, which is very similar to mine: "something that is equal to the feeling of watching a stripper."

I rest my case.

It's 2018 and women should be able to wear revealing clothing without being accused of looking like strippers or prostitutes. That's insulting to our collective intelligences. The fact that some here seem to want women to "cover up" smacks of prudishness and religious judgmentalism.

Seoni's outfit is nothing like that of any stripper I've ever seen, and yes, to many, it may be sexy, and is certainly revealing.

However, it is certainly not impractical as, again, a character with access to magic both high and mundane need not "cover up" or conform to the desires or stereotypes of others. As well, Seoni's outfit in the statuette is not indicative of the clothing she would wear in any circumstance, at any time. It's an extremely practical outfit, allowing Seoni comfort, breath-ability, and freedom of movement for effective somatic casting.

Seoni looks great, just the way she is, and doesn't need to change a thing.

New thread rule: you're only allowed to (civilly) debate the meaning of the word "stripperific" and whether or not Seoni is an empowered woman if you have backed the Kickstarter (at any level).

Thanks for your support!

Mark, I'm looking over the pledge options. Question for you - what will be portrayed on the "rare exclusive Pathfinder t-shirt..."?

It's 2018 and women should be able to wear revealing clothing without being accused of looking like strippers or prostitutes. That's insulting to our collective intelligences. The fact that some here seem to want women to "cover up" smacks of prudishness and religious judgmentalism.

Seoni's outfit is nothing like that of any stripper I've ever seen, and yes, to many, it may be sexy, and is certainly revealing.

However, it is certainly not impractical as, again, a character with access to magic both high and mundane need not "cover up" or conform to the desires or stereotypes of others. As well, Seoni's outfit in the statuette is not indicative of the clothing she would wear in any circumstance, at any time. It's an extremely practical outfit, allowing Seoni comfort, breath-ability, and freedom of movement for effective somatic casting.

Seoni looks great, just the way she is, and doesn't need to change a thing.

I'm not going to wade into the argument about stripperific. It isn't a real word in my opinion anyway. ;)

That said, I would like to comment on the above quoted area. It is 2018 -- nearly 2019 -- and women should be able to wear what they want. However, judgement and opinion is going to come both in real life and in our role playing games.

It is 2018 and female characters don't have to be fully dressed, true, but they also don't have to wear the magical character version of the chain mail bikini either. Seoni's outfit may be comfortable (for a given value of that) and even give ease of movement. I believe, however, that some pants might allow the same degree of somatic spell casting without the draft or expenditure of spells to keep from freezing.

It isn't a practical outfit, IMO, for a travelling adventurer. The bits around the forearms and shins are unnecessary and serve no purpose. Sandals are going to be heck to march over weird terrain in. The long braid and long loincloth bit are going to get caught on every branch and bit of landscape.

I mean, one can like what she is dressed like and it might be good for a town-type adventure but slogging through the woods or swamp or dungeons? I'd hesitate to call it practical.

Again, wearing clothing -- not because of some taboo or religious or prudish prejudice -- is a good idea when people are trying to kill you, when you are going to be in weird environments and so on. It frees up spell slots if nothing else.

Also, the outfit for the figurine must be indicative of the outfit she would wear in any circumstance at any time -- otherwise they wouldn't have put that on her.

PS: This reminds me of arguments people used to have trying to justify why Psylocke of the X-Teams wore that ugly costume. I mean, she's a ninja so why wear pants?

I much prefer this version of Seoni. I don't care about practicality or realism, but I do care care about entertainment and fun.

If people don't like the bare skin, they could ask Paizo or Dynamite to make second edition Seoni AS WELL and support THAT.

I'm not interested in debating the definition of a slang term that is defined differently depending on which random webpage you happen to be on.

The very fact that "stripperific" contains the word "stripper" within it means that the object it refers to is related to a stripper in some form or fashion.

So by the very nature of the word, stripperific accuses the object of looking like a stripper.

And no, just because some random webpage contains a definition of the term does not make it codified. I can create a webpage with a definition too. :)

By the way, multiple random webpage sources contain different definitions of the word. For instance, both Urban Dictionary and Definithing contain this definition, which is very similar to mine: "something that is equal to the feeling of watching a stripper."

It's 2018 and women should be able to wear revealing clothing without being accused of looking like strippers or prostitutes.

That's insulting to our collective intelligences. The fact that some here seem to want women to "cover up" smacks of prudishness and religious judgmentalism.

Seoni's outfit is nothing like that of any stripper I've ever seen, and yes, to many, it may be sexy, and is certainly revealing.

However, it is certainly not impractical as, again, a character with access to magic both high and mundane need not "cover up" or conform to the desires or stereotypes of others.

As well, Seoni's outfit in the statuette is not indicative of the clothing she would wear in any circumstance, at any time.

It's an extremely practical outfit,

allowing Seoni comfort, breath-ability,

and freedom of movement for effective somatic casting.

Maybe, but I'd be cautious with those lone single pieces of fabric/scarves and her twintail braids whipping around.

New thread rule: you're only allowed to (civilly) debate the meaning of the word "stripperific" and whether or not Seoni is an empowered woman if you have backed the Kickstarter (at any level).

Thanks for your support!

Thanks for reminding me to do the thing this whole thing is about, I had been trying to decide if I want the PDF or physical collection of the comics.

Mark, I'm looking over the pledge options. Question for you - what will be portrayed on the "rare exclusive Pathfinder t-shirt..."?

Scroll down about halfway on the page. The tee shirt is shown at the top of the section under the header, "More Pathfinder..." It's a parody of the Jaws movie poster with a giant goblin in place of the shark.

Can we get back to the "yes it is" / "no it isn't" circular argument? It's riveting.

But seriously... the shirt is awesome.

Dotting because "interested in the really nice statue".

Dotting because "interested in the really nice statue".

Don't just dot, friend. You've got 9 hours before the Kickstarter ends.

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Dotting because "interested in the really nice statue".

Don't just dot, friend. You've got 9 hours before the Kickstarter ends.

Would that I had seen it sooner, but I currently don't even have $15 that I could send its way, and I know that won't change within 9 hours.

Alack! Alas!

What's coming to the comics line after Spiral of Bones, and who is writing the script?

That's nice but I'm no longer messing with Kickstarters after that Starfinder Minis debacle.

Any chance Dynamite can take over for Ninja Division vis-a-vis the Starfinder minis?

So I pre-ordered the statue way back in May, I know Dynamite got it in stock in the middle of August, and it finally arrived for me today! My biggest problem now is that I really don't have many available shelf space options (it's bigger than the Figuarts figures I usually buy).