amethal |
Dragon and Dungeon are still being published, but by WotC instead of Paizo. They still take submissions from freelance writers.
As I understand it, they are now a collection of individual articles; they don't collate them into "magazines" any more. Whether this should matter in the case of electronic articles is arguable, but it definitely does matter to me. (Perhaps I'm just getting old ...)
Also, my understanding is that the content is much lower than it used to be - if they were to go back to collating them, they would be significantly shorter than they used to be.
I might be wrong - I don't subscribe so this is second hand information.
I'd imagine they'd have to take submissions from freelancers - their in-house staff are presumably busy on D&D Next.
Steel_Wind |
Dungeon was (and still is) my favorite print magazine... and I miss it like hell to this day.
Me too. And I know there are thousands of hardcore gamers who still feel the same way about it. In the end, the fans are a little nutty about this.
To this day, I'm still really touchy about this entire subject. i don't know why -- I just am. I was emotionally invested in the magazine more than any other in which I ever purchased or subscribed to.
It's not rational and when you get right down to it, it defies logical analysis. Probably the only "analysis" that would start to get at the heart of it would be the type of analysis that begins with reclining on a couch, but... *whatever*.
I know from Paizo's perspective it has all turned out for the best, Alls well that ends well, etc.. And perhaps that's so.
Nevertheless, it still makes me a little bit angry and a whole lot sad to even think about it.
Bill Dunn |
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I had been a subscriber to Dragon for over a decade back in the 1980s and early 1990s. But I had let the sub lapse as it became a bit redundant over the years. Fewer and fewer articles seemed to be covering really new ground and the focus had narrowed away from being a more general gaming magazine into being just the D&D publicity machine. I had never subscribed to Dungeon, picking up the occasional issue at the local game store. I had plenty of modules so the adventures didn't grab me as strongly.
Then came the new century and with it 3e. I wanted to run it but was a bit unsure how the new rules worked with the old adventures. I was in need of new adventures and Dungeon fit the bill, so at Gen Con I bought my first Dungeon subscription.
I was in for a treat. Not only was I getting good adventures coming to my door, I got to observe a new company experiment with the format and content. Some people may have found that irritating and, I'll admit, I wasn't fond of most of the Polyhedron mini-game content. But I was increasingly impressed with Paizo's efforts and communication with the fans. I could watch how they took criticism (both constructive and not) and improve the magazine. And I think it improved right up until the very end. So, even before the last issue came to my door and before I got my hands on the even greater things that were to come, I was already a huge Paizo fan.
WotC's non-renewal of the licenses and subsequent moves to cut out 3rd party contributions to 4e hit like thunderbolts as far as I was concerned. While I'm sure that nothing personal was intended and we know there are still mutual friendships between staffers of the two companies, both looked to me like shabby treatment of a loyal ally. I'm glad to read that WotC was magnanimous in the treatment of the magazine licenses. But that doesn't completely settle the accounts as far as I'm concerned. Paizo earned my good will (and continues to do so), WotC squandered it and has to work that much harder to regain it.
ShinHakkaider |
I never subscribed to magazines. Well that's not true, I remember getting a free subscription to Black Enterprise and Vibe as part of some offer while I was in school many years ago but I really didn't care about those. I used to be a fan of Dragon during the 1E days but as a GM it was mostly Dungeon that I loved.
But I fell away from both of them after 2nd edition came out and played a bunch of other games occasionally picking up an issue of Dragon for a Marvel Super Heroes or DC HEroes or Top Secret article .
I also picked up a few issues of Dragon for the 3E previews which got me more than excited about 3E. But it wasn't until years later until the end of the Shackled City AP that I became interested in Dungeon again. The mention of the next AP being set in Greyhawk and involving Kyuss got got me HYPED. So I'm pretty sure that I became a subscriber either just before issue #124 or just after. The only reason that I let the subscription lapse was that my LGS (the Complete Strategist on 33rd st in NYC) would get the issues on the shelf before I received it in the mail.
I did buy each and every issue of Dungeon until the end (What? SAVAGE TIDE man!) and the last issue of Dragon.
I hated that both Dragon and Dungeon have effectively ceased to exist. I know that they were still around they were packaged with tools that I had no use for as well as a system that I wasnt interested in. Even with all that if they were physical magazines I feel that they would have helped me give 4E more of a chance. But hey it was what it was and now Dungeon and Dragon arent even compiled as electronic magazines any more just a loose articles. It's a shame.
I think what we got as a replacement though is the bees knees. I've been a Pathfinder Subscriber since the beginning and until Paizo releases a AP that I TRULY have no interest in (a Sword & Planet, Steampunk, adventure paths) I'm with them for the foreseeable future.
hogarth |
I have to say, I have often thought that Eric Mona in particular must have at least a streak of bitterness after having such a strong hand in visioning what I (and many) think is the very finest Greyhawk adventure ever published -- the Age of Worms -- and then to so quickly have that entire world pulled out from under him with the cancelling of Dungeon.
Indeed. Who can forget such classic Greyhawk characters as Manzorian and Balakarde?
;-)
James Jacobs Creative Director |
Steel_Wind wrote:Now if only you could go back in time and fix those issues of Dungeon magazine...hogarth wrote:Indeed. Who can forget such classic Greyhawk characters as Mordenkainen and Bucknard?
;-)
Fixed that for you :)
While you're at it in your time machine... go ahead and change "The Free City" to "Greyhawk City" as well. :-P
Steel_Wind |
While you're at it in your time machine... go ahead and change "The Free City" to "Greyhawk City" as well. :-P
Believe it or not, Free City = Egoria and Alhaster = Westcrown actually works exceptionally well James.
Set it 20+ years in the future of the current Golarion timeline, start subsituting in a bunch of the iconics for the NPCs in the AoW and the result is surprisingly tasty.
Don't sell yourself short...
Dark_Mistress |
Dark_Mistress wrote:And then buy TSR (or Wizards if you want to wait) when it comes up for sale :)
I think I would rather go back in time and invest in Microsoft in the 80's.
Actually i almost posted something to that effect but didn't want to cause problems. But I will post what I almost said as a spoiler.
R_Chance |
R_Chance wrote:Dark_Mistress wrote:And then buy TSR (or Wizards if you want to wait) when it comes up for sale :)
I think I would rather go back in time and invest in Microsoft in the 80's.
Actually i almost posted something to that effect but didn't want to cause problems. But I will post what I almost said as a spoiler.
** spoiler omitted **
Er... minus the James thing I wholeheartedly agree! :)
R_Chance |
I started D&D in 1974. My campaign world was developed as a setting for miniature campaigns using Chainmail's fantasy supplement. My magazine experience started with "The Strategic Review" which became "The Dragon" and later just "Dragon". Over the course of that, between on again off again subscriptions and my FLGS I missed only a couple of issues (which the Dragon CD-Rom compilation took care of). I bought Dragon even when it had very little to do with my actual game. It kept me in contact with a wider gaming world and it was a fairly good read. Under Paizo it had gotten really good again though. Like it was in the early days when every issue brought something new and exciting. I was more than a little ticked off when it was cancelled. I'd never gotten into Dungeon but Dragon had been a staple of my life for decades. On the other hand it's worked out pretty well. I don't buy Adventures (I still do my own), but the skill and imagination that has gone into the Pathfinder RPG has been impressive and for that I'm grateful to the crew that has made it happen.
Samnell |
R_Chance wrote:Dark_Mistress wrote:And then buy TSR (or Wizards if you want to wait) when it comes up for sale :)
I think I would rather go back in time and invest in Microsoft in the 80's.
Actually i almost posted something to that effect but didn't want to cause problems. But I will post what I almost said as a spoiler.
** spoiler omitted **
Replace the James bit with Wes and I'm there. Also I'd totally find a way to get a Boys of Paizo* Speedo Calendar off the ground. What's the fun of being an eccentric billionaire if you can't be creepy?
*Boys of Paizo may include men not employed by Paizo.