This game moves fast, and I'm going to be away for about 24 hours, so please feel free to bot me as needed.
Okay. No prob. We'll do this first half of the round of combat and take tomorrow (Sunday, March 26th in the US) off.
I got Spiritual weapon to use...
also..would the +1 be applicable on a spiritual weapon? cant remember off hand....I think it does...
I believe so, since it uses your attack roll.
@Therin - If you are Nauseated you cannot cast spells. Plus casting is generally a standard action and you can only take a move action. Hence why you are in the back of the party.
Oh, yeah. Thanks for catching that.
The nausea will fade away. In fact, you do seem to be feeling a bit better outside of the room. You'll be nauseated for another rounds if you are out of the room, but will need to save again when not nauseated if you go back in.
As I suspected, it turns out that evasion doesn't work with the oozes' acid damage. It's either full damage or no damage, no chance for half even if you make the save. Since T.P. failed both saves, he takes full damage.
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Don't want to slow us down but before I take my turn, some questions:
a) do we know (as part of the knowledge check or as general adventurer knowledge) what sorts of damage will cause it to split?
b) if I were to use a claw attack (which does B/S dmg), can I *choose* whether it's doing Bludgeoning or Slashing, or does it automatically do both (thus triggering the split ability if it triggers off of either of those)?
c) if I use weapons, how many hit points do they have before they aren't usable? I've got a masterwork bardiche, a cold iron sword, and a silver dagger. I'm assuming that one or two hits with the acid dmg is going to destroy the weapons, yes?
d) do the oozes look like they can be blinded? Specifically, if I use Drukpa's Spit Venom and Viscous Venom feats, I presume that the oozes can be entangled, but could they also be blinded? Or would they be immune due to not having eyes?
e) If none of the above options will work, Drukpa's only real other choice is Grapple (he has Improved Grapple). While that would be hilarious, would Grappling (or Pinning) an ooze actually *do* anything helpful?
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As I recall, the PF1e rules around damage to items are clunky. If I'm not mistaken, a mwk bardiche would have hardness 5 and 10 hit points but there is also a rule about energy damage to items being halved before applying the hardness, in which case it would appear that 1d6 of acid dmg could never harm the weapon. I'm guessing that this is all incorrect in this case but just checking before destroying my weapons.
Don't want to slow us down but before I take my turn, some questions:
a) do we know (as part of the knowledge check or as general adventurer knowledge) what sorts of damage will cause it to split?
Is Drukpa intelligent enough to know that a knife will cut through butter better than the flat side of a spoon?
b) if I were to use a claw attack (which does B/S dmg), can I *choose* whether it's doing Bludgeoning or Slashing, or does it automatically do both (thus triggering the split ability if it triggers off of either of those)?
It does both. Like how a morningstar does both bludgeoning & piercing damage. I love the gladius that lets you choose piercing or slashing. Also, there is a feat that lets you change damage type: Weapon Versatility. (The main reason why I got that book).
c) if I use weapons, how many hit points do they have before they aren't usable? I've got a masterwork bardiche, a cold iron sword, and a silver dagger. I'm assuming that one or two hits with the acid dmg is going to destroy the weapons, yes?
Pretty much a meta-gamey question there. Let Drukpa find out. He may have seen and heard Tiny Pebble yelp in pain and fling his fists aside after punching the wiggly jiggly oozes. The acid seems quite strong.
d) do the oozes look like they can be blinded? Specifically, if I use Drukpa's Spit Venom and Viscous Venom feats, I presume that the oozes can be entangled, but could they also be blinded? Or would they be immune due to not having eyes?
You don't see any sensory organs on the creatures. Wait! One of them wears silly Big Nose & Glasses! Give it a shot. Let's see what happens.
e) If none of the above options will work, Drukpa's only real other choice is Grapple (he has Improved Grapple). While that would be hilarious, would Grappling (or Pinning) an ooze actually *do* anything helpful?
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As I recall, the PF1e rules around damage to items are clunky. If I'm not mistaken, a mwk bardiche would have hardness 5 and 10 hit points but there is also a rule about energy damage to items being halved before applying the hardness, in which case it would appear that 1d6 of acid dmg could never harm the weapon. I'm guessing that this is all incorrect in this case but just checking before destroying my weapons.
Metagamey. Once again, I'm going by the rules to the best of my knowledge. In this case, Acid ignores hardness.
There are checklists for the GM in this scenario to keep track of what you do, what you find, what bad conditions you get, etc...
I am giving you all the best scenario/route to give you the best item available.
Another question: would attacking with reach still subject the PC (and/or their weapon) to the acid dmg on a successful attack?
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@GM Roll4initiative - Tiny Pebble has Improved Evasion not simply Evasion. This means half damage on a failed Reflex save from any source. Why would you think it would not apply to the acid damage from the ooze which allows a Reflex save?
Do you have any specific wording in the text of the ability to make you think this would be the case?
In terms of weapon breakage: I do not think it is much of a concern. Your hafted two-handed weapon has hardness of 5 with 10 hit points. Your weapon would have to take 5 hit points of damage after hardness is deducted to be considered broken. This would mean five rolls of "6" on the acid damage die. This is just not going to happen for either Eka or Drukpa.
In terms of acid damage: Generally it should be the weapon and not the character taking damage unless it is specifically worded in text of the ability (like the Babau's Protective Slime ability). I do not believe this to be the case here.
Thanks for all the answers to the questions!
Another question: would attacking with reach still subject the PC (and/or their weapon) to the acid dmg on a successful attack?
Actually, yes, it would affect the weapon.
@Igor...
Yow. Sorry about that. I don't know how I missed the "Improved" part of evasion.
In terms of weapon breakage:
Other GMs pretty much went with this:
https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qc01?Hardness-and-Acid#7
"The digestive acid that covers a gray ooze dissolves metals and organic material, but not stone."
So, since it dissolves metal & wood, I believe it ignores hardness.
In terms of acid damage:
T.P. is using his fists as weapons, striking a creature covered in acid. It makes sense that he would take damage when he hits the creature.
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The acid does not work on stone hence why I thought it might not work on an Earth Elemental. This is the GM's call.
Assuming that T.P. can be damaged by the acid then I agree 100% with your decision that he should potentially (Reflex save pending) take damage from the attack.
Apologies for the delay. Single parenting this weekend. I have no idea how full-timers do it.
No problem. There's no rush. No need to post today.
My spiritualist, Inga, has a Porter, along with the rest of her entourage. He's got a personality all his own. He pulls a little wagon that's decorated & painted like a gypsy wagon to haul everyone's gear around.
I love Vanities, and some chronicles have boons to get a discount.
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I like that. :) It is often the supporting characters that can add flavour. My wizards all tend to have low Charisma scores so they will not be overwhelming people with their outgoing and vibrant personalities.
Yes vanities are fun. I especially like my Herald whom while unnecessary adds a certain flair to formal events.
yeah, it's funny when Inga's porter shoves the wagon over the edge of a hole with half the party below...
Lol.
It was Smörboll, Inga's bodyguard, that shoved it off the ledge rather than taking the time with all the lowering with ropes and what not. Mush to the porter's dismay.
That's the beauty with Vanities; they're there, but not there, in a sense. Great roleplaying fodder, though!
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I am looking for people's opinions here. Should a character take damage from attacking someone on the other side of a Wall of Fire with a natural weapon or a weapon without reach?
The text of the spell asks for a person to "pass through it" but I cannot see how any reasonable person would rule that it alright to pass your arm through a Wall of Fire and not take damage.
I am trying to evaluate the effectiveness of the ring option for Wall of Steam/Wall of Fire line of spells.
If you're passing an arm through the wall of fire, you're "passing through" it. Basically touching it. From a common sense point of view, I would definitely rule that you take damage.
@GM: I only took 1 hp in that acid fight, but I did have some damage from before. I try to be pretty diligent about marking off damage and healing, so I think my tagline's accurate.
Thank you for keeping track!
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@GM Roll4initiative- Did you draw the diagram on slide 4?
Yes. Quickly, at work.
Here's that post. Is your Anytool really magical? Like, give a +1 or +2 bonus?
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The any-tool counts as a set of masterwork artisan’s tools for most Craft or Profession skills (although very specialist crafts such as alchemy still require their own unique toolset). It is an ineffective weapon, always counting as an improvised weapon and never granting any masterwork bonus on attack rolls.
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The Traveller's Any Tool would at best replace a set of Master Work Thieves Tools which Eka already owns so it will sadly not help in this case.
I keep meaning to buy one for any of my characters but have yet to do so. They are really handy when you really need a tool that you do not have like a crowbar or a drill for example.
Please enter your PC/player info >>here<<. I know some people are worried about leaving an email, there's no need to leave an email address or Discord name. After the game, I will post a link to a shared Google file where you can access your chronicle.
I will be cleaning and cooking a lot for the holiday weekend. I may be able to post, but I can't guarantee it. Please bot if needed.
No prob. Since it's a holiday weekend we should just take it off. No posting on Saturday & Sunday.
