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iiiiiit's Manny!
Player: Chadius
Character: Emmanuel Holysmith
PFS#: 133608-2001
Level: 2
Faction: Envoy's Alliance
Chronicle Speed: Normal
Downtime:
GM, how do you want to handle secret rolls? Do we tell you what we intend to roll with the bonus, or do we spoiler our rolls? Or do we just roll in the open?
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If I call for recall knowledge checks, I'll ask for your check bonus and roll then myself.
If you want to recall knowledge about something, then roll in a spoiler.
I think that is the easiest for me to handle it.
I won't do secret rolls in the open.
So no peeking in the spoilers ...
I said no peeking!!!
If a have a named spoiler like ....
Nikebei was here ....
then only the named character should open the spoiler.
If I have a spoiler like ...
This will be a critical failure
This would be a failure
This would be a pass
This would be a critical pass
then open the spoiler for the correct result:
* a result of 0-4 open the first spoiler
* a result of 5-14 open the second spoiler
* a result of 15-24 its the third spoiler
* a result of 25 or over its the last spoiler
Hope that's OK for everyone.
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We are currently at 14 challenge points for the scenario.
Please decide amongst yourselves a marching order for single file and two abreast.
Oh and whilst I remember, when I roll openly and not behind the GM Screen, I will only roll a d20 without adjustment, except for multiple strikes, e.g 1d20-5. So you might see yourself being hit by a roll of 5, for example, (I have no idea if that's actually possible in this scenario!).
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Exploration Activities are here.
The default one is probably Search. If you're the sneaky type, Avoid Notice may be more useful. Mages usually will Detect Magic and Repeat the Spell.
Exploration is usually slower than full speed, in my experience.
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Thanks! I think I'll be Detecting Magic, then.
And the next question: Are there any must-have items that all Pathfinders should have with them? Like in 1e you should carry alchemists fire to deal with swarms, silver/cold iron/blunt weapons to deal with DR etc.?
I think the Pathfinder Training gives me the consumable item(s), if I just pick the right one.
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Manny carries a lesser healing elixir and a vial of holy water. Depending on which PFS schools you follow, you can get access to some basic equipment.
See the Pathfinder Training section for which schools you can pick and what that gives you access to.
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This scenario asks for some checks to be rolled by only one member of the party. As a mechanic, these checks are not best suited to pbp. So what I would like you to do is please decide among yourselves who will be the primary character for the following skill checks:
These checks are made by one character, another character trained in the skill has the option to use Aid Another.
For this pbp, I would ask for both a primary and secondary character to be identified, so that if the primary character does not respond within 24 hours of the request to roll, then the secondary character's roll will be used. The secondary character's roll should be spoiled, if rolled before the primary character has rolled their skill check.
Hope that makes sense to you, as normally a chaotic neutral GM, this lurch to lawful is something new for me. :)
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Liger has a +7 to both Deception and Diplomacy, as well as a unique bonus to initiative if Deception was being used when initiative is called, (making his bonus +8 for Deception Initiative, rather than +6 for Stealth or Perceptions). Further he has the very fun feat Shameless Request (Reduces the DC by 2, and if critically failing a Request, it is treated as only a failure. Thus never lowering their attitude on an attempt.) Both of these are because of the Leshy ancestry feat Harmlessly Cute.
So if we need to Make a Request of anybody, I highly recommend Liger be the primary on it, and would have a preference for any time we try Deception to be at least the secondary, in case it leads to a fight breaking out. However, I do not mind if others want to be both primary and secondary for Diplomacy outside of Request moments.
Liger only has a +1 for survival, and isn't Trained, so I am hoping they are not in contention for Primary or Secondary on that <.<
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Durvik: remember you get 3 actions per turn, and swimming only takes 1 action.
Last turn he had his swim, plus 2 interactions to a get the rope, then secure the rope.
@Manny, please see the info on throwing a rope, your rope is either in your hand, but not thown to Durvik, or you have hold of the rope currently tied to Birgid's waist.
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Assuming someone warns him, Manny comes alert. "Huh, what? Spiders? Hey Zug, you know any good spider songs?"
Manny readies his whip to hit the first enemy to approach.
** spoiler omitted **
Then he casts Shield to protect himself.
Finally he takes a Step forward to cover more room.
Unfortunately you can't take a step, to Ready costs 2 actions, as you have to concentrate on the action. Just so you know in future, it's a bit strange, cos as far as I can see casters can't ready a spell, except something like Shield.
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Correct. Readying an action costs two actions and only allows a single action to be readied. Therefore, spellcasters can only ready one action spells. As such, most of the spells I've seen readied are one-action focus spells. Like an Elemental Sorcerer's Elemental Toss, as there aren't many 1 action spells you don't get full value out of if you just cast on your turn. (An exception can be guidance on someone, in case they lose their intended action due to a debuff like slowed. Thus preventing them from using the bonus AND being unable to be targeted again during the encounter.)
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Ok, so I have one alchemists's fire bomb, this seems to be the exact moment to use it.
Can I throw it in the square between two swarms in order to cause splash damage to both? If so, what the AC of hitting the floor? (in 1E I think it was AC5).
If I instead attack one swarm, and roll against its AC (no touch AC in 2e I guess). If I hit, I deal the normal damage and splash damage. If I miss, I only deal splash damage. Correct?
All application of the aforementioned substance will cause 1 splash damage to friendlies. Am I approved to do so? IIRC in 1e PFS there was some rules about friendly fire, but couldn't find anything on 2e PFS guide.
Does inspire courage add +1 to the bomb damage? How about splash damage?
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@zug Splash damage, if not a bomber, applies to the targeted square and all adjacent squares. Friendlies included. If a bomber, can choose to splash as normal, OR just the one enemy targeted. Further, on a hit you do full damage and splash, on a miss you do just splash, on a crit-miss you do neither, per the Splash Trait description on page 544 of core. (AC for floor is GM determined, so will wait for Deevor on that)
Question @deevor. How many swarms are here? Asking, because it looks like three tokens, (aka 3 swarms) but each taking up just a square with an ally in it. {most swarms are Large (four squares a pop). Are these really small swarms? if so, great news for possibly getting some burning hands off on multiple swarms for once} Important for knowing what squares can be targeted for what. Also, if I need to move, which squares are occupied.
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This is what I wrote for throwing rope to Duvik, which holds for hitting a square.
I haven't been able to find in the rulebook, yet how to determine the accuracy of throwing rope at a square or to a person. So if you know, then shout up now. Otherwise I'm going to go with this, to throw the rope to be within reach of Durvik. Simple untrained skill is 10, you take -2 for a rope acting as an improvised weapon (unless you have the improvised weapon feat), with 10ft range increment (-2), using strength as the modifier as per normal thrown weapons. Hope you feel this is fair.
So it's 10 to hit a square, with range increments as normal.
There are 3 separate swarms, you are right, they should be large, but in this case it wouldn't make much difference, I have enlarged the toekns. Thanks @Liger.
@Birgid, she does not have to make any saves.
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SNIP
So it's 10 to hit a square, with range increments as normal.
There are 3 separate swarms, you are right, they should be large, but in this case it wouldn't make much difference, I have enlarged the toekns. Thanks @Liger.
@Birgid, she does not have to make any saves.
Well, plus side, means there are more squares to hit the swarms with splash and the like with. Zug might even find one at one point, where he can hit all three at once. Down-side... so much for burning hands idea.
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@deevor so I fully understand the response to Liger's spell cast. Was that a "they both critically succeed the save" or a GM ruling of "swarms can't be targeted by electric arc?" (Though the rules state to treat swarms as single monsters, that is ambiguous in response to whether they get targeted as a single creature. However normal attacks also target "creatures" not "monsters" but I digress. Otherwise the only note about targeting swarms is in any with the "swarm mind" trait, which says immune to mental effects that target a specific number of creatures... {this ironically helps add my own future adjudication at my own table, that they CAN be targeted by single target spells. As it made specific call outs against it as a second trait outside normal swarm rules. But further digression.} They can even be flanked, critted and knocked prone in 2e, ironically enough, unless specifically called out as otherwise in its stat block.) Or that these swarms are resistant to the electric damage? Just so I understand your chosen table adjudication, and can adjust my actions accordingly.
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@deevor so I fully understand the response to Liger's spell cast. Was that a "they both critically succeed the save" or a GM ruling of "swarms can't be targeted by electric arc?" (Though the rules state to treat swarms as single monsters, that is ambiguous in response to whether they get targeted as a single creature. However normal attacks also target "creatures" not "monsters" but I digress. Otherwise the only note about targeting swarms is in any with the "swarm mind" trait, which says immune to mental effects that target a specific number of creatures... {this ironically helps add my own future adjudication at my own table, that they CAN be targeted by single target spells. As it made specific call outs against it as a second trait outside normal swarm rules. But further digression.} They can even be flanked, critted and knocked prone in 2e, ironically enough, unless specifically called out as otherwise in its stat block.) Or that these swarms are resistant to the electric damage? Just so I understand your chosen table adjudication, and can adjust my actions accordingly.
Just being an old 1e guy in a 2e game, but when I treat swarms as a single monster, I think that's in terms of movement and concealment and things like that, not spells that are targeted at a single creature. However if you can do precision damage against a swarm, why should the rules bare any relation to visualising the fantasy or a fantasy narrative.
The rules for swarms says A swarm is a mass or cloud of creatures that functions as one monster., so it hinges on the definition of function. It's as clear as mud, but function to me has a different meaning to 'treat as'. Function to me is what the swarm does, not how things are done to it. So single creature spells should not work, as the swarm is made up of single creatures that together make a monster. So my ruling would be that the spell doesn't work against swarms. So the spell did do the damage to the single creature in the swarm, but did not have a material effect on the swarm. Swarm traits adds that swarms are immune to precision damage.
I may be the only GM that has this interpretation, as others think you can do trip, grapple etc, but I would use the same argument about functions as a monster vs attack a single creature.
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Very understandable, and agree about it not being clear. (hence me asking for a clarification on how you will rule it for your table. Just so i understand. And I failed to mention immunity to the precision damage, does not change the AC drop for flanking. However, as an old 1e guy as well, I can understand if you want to also rule them as unflankable, untrippable etc. I do just want to make sure I understand such adjudications. if they are going to be sweeping ones such "applies to all swarms unless stated otherwise" before I essentially waste another turn.)
As such, I am going to then ask if a spell with an attack roll to hit, but still specifies a target of "1 creature," will fall under the same assumption as a melee or ranged weapon attacking, or it falls under the same issue as the electric arc as above.
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Very understandable, and agree about it not being clear. (hence me asking for a clarification on how you will rule it for your table. Just so i understand. And I failed to mention immunity to the precision damage, does not change the AC drop for flanking. However, as an old 1e guy as well, I can understand if you want to also rule them as unflankable, untrippable etc. I do just want to make sure I understand such adjudications. if they are going to be sweeping ones such "applies to all swarms unless stated otherwise" before I essentially waste another turn.)
As such, I am going to then ask if a spell with an attack roll to hit, but still specifies a target of "1 creature," will fall under the same assumption as a melee or ranged weapon attacking, or it falls under the same issue as the electric arc as above.
Will allow flanking, no tripping, grappling and the like, single target (or multiple single target) spells would not effect them, (although if it makes a great narrative them might be persuaded).
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Zug brings up an interesting point. WOULD telekinetic projectile work against the swarms at this table? It's targeting rules are identical to other spells with attack rolls. "Target: 1 creature". But it also mentioned requiring outside objects to launch at the target in order to do its damage, of the described type. (again, mostly asking due to the previous rulings, and wanting to know where the divide is.)
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I will repeat the previous argument and say no, because of the 1 creature thing. Whether the bods at Paizo meant this or not, they should have clarified somewhere. They made a humongous rule book, which is like Emmental cheese, full of holes. If it weren't for the fact I like these scenarios and adventure paths cos the stories are good, I'd not be learning 2e, not sold on it's mechanics.
In this case, would have reversed actions and targeted the spider for Zug.
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I'm totally cool with the GM's ruling, and we should play with it for the scenario.
But to better understand the swarms for future games... I read the spider swarm creature stats from aonprd (sorry, spoiled myself...), and I couldn't find any RAW that single physical attacks wouldn't affect swarms.
They are immune to precision damage and to "mental effects that target only a specific number of creatures" - and that's it.
I think the resistances is the mechanic to make normal attacks less effective - but there's no actual immunity to physical attacks.
Perhaps it's just the 1E experience written deep down to us, that keeps the mindset against normal weapons. (Well... that, and common sense)