Hobokhajiit |
The dirty trick manoeuvre explicitly states "In melee" so by that I would suppose the answer is no without DM improvisation or homebrew rules. Furthermore, none of the dirty trick feats seem to allow you to attempt them from range.
Melkiador |
The bounty hunter slayer might be able to, but you should run it by your GM.
Dirty Trick (Ex): At 2nd level, anytime a bounty hunter is able to deal sneak attack damage to a studied target, he can instead attempt to hamper the target. The bounty hunter must declare that he’s using this ability before the attack roll is made. If the attack hits, it deals damage normally, but instead of rolling sneak attack damage, the bounty hunter can attempt a dirty trick combat maneuver against the studied target as a free action, adding 1 to the combat maneuver check for each die of the bounty hunter’s sneak attack damage. This combat maneuver does not provoke attacks of opportunity. This ability replaces the slayer talent gained at 2nd level.
Even if it does work at range, ranged sneak attack is also hard to reliably pull off.
Hobokhajiit |
In regards to providing reliable sneak attacks from range, greater invisibility would provide sneak attacks on every attack whilst the spell is maintained (The greater variation being important as it doesn't wear off immediately after an attack). Alternatively, blinded, climbing, and enemies who have had to take an acrobatics check to move over a narrow or uneven surface are also denied dex to AC which allows for sneak attacks
W E Ray |
Thanks guys!
I'm after this for Fluff, not Crunch -- the 1st Lvl PC I'm building feels "Ranged" and very feels "Dirty Trick." I'm hoping if I just take a sling and talk to the DM he'll allow it. ....Maybe there's a Halfling alternate Trait or something that lets me use a sling like Tasslehof Burefoot or something. I think it could be a fun, if not terribly optimized, PC build.
UnArcaneElection |
For Paizo options for Ranged Dirty Trick, Abadar is your friend, for the advanced option of Divine Fighting Technique. Unfortunately, you're locked in to using a Crossbow, but at least the prerequisite feat is something that you're going to want anyway with a Crossbow, and the basic option of Abadar's Divine Fighting Technique gives you Ranged Steal.
Not sure how to figure out the range on Kineticist's Telekinetic Maneuvers.
For more widely usable options for Ranged Dirty Trick, it looks like you have to go 3rd party, with Dreamscarred Press Path of War Dustcatching Breeze, available in the Tempest Gale path, which is availaable by way of several Path of War classes.
Grandlounge |
UnArcaneElection wrote:^Good point, since the spell itself has a Combat Maneuver option without restricting its range.
So with the power of your mind, you can pull down someone's pants from 400 feet away?
That sounds entertaining...
I shoot their belt buckle. Have your seen how many belts and buckles adventures in Golarion have.
Grandlounge |
With the Bounty Hunter Slayer just blind them with the first dirty trick (when they are flat footed) and then they qualify for future dirty tricks, since they are blind.
The problem with dirty trick is it is a move to remove that condition until you have Greater Dirty Trick (Combat). This means that it is not likely to be affecting the enemy on their turn.
Here is a solution
Rogue talent available to slayers...
Underhanded Trick
The most important part.
If she succeeds in giving her target the blinded condition, the target cannot remove the condition during the first round of blindness.
... and you get to skip pre-reqs so you save a feat.
Scott Wilhelm |
Kyron "Death Knell" Shess wrote:With the Bounty Hunter Slayer just blind them with the first dirty trick (when they are flat footed) and then they qualify for future dirty tricks, since they are blind.The problem with dirty trick is it is a move to remove that condition until you have Greater Dirty Trick (Combat). This means that it is not likely to be affecting the enemy on their turn.
Here is a solution
Rogue talent available to slayers...
Underhanded Trick
The most important part.
Quote:If she succeeds in giving her target the blinded condition, the target cannot remove the condition during the first round of blindness.... and you get to skip pre-reqs so you save a feat.
Underhanded Trick is usually the way by which I would get Improved Dirty Trick for a character like this.
Also, I would always get Greater Dirty trick ASAP.
Good calls.