Help with Ranged 'Dirty Trick' PC Build


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Grand Lodge

Is there an Archetype or Feat or gimmick or anything that can let me build a Dirty Trick PC using a ranged weapon such as crossbow or throwing axes or sling, etc?

Liberty's Edge

The dirty trick manoeuvre explicitly states "In melee" so by that I would suppose the answer is no without DM improvisation or homebrew rules. Furthermore, none of the dirty trick feats seem to allow you to attempt them from range.


The bounty hunter slayer might be able to, but you should run it by your GM.

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Dirty Trick (Ex): At 2nd level, anytime a bounty hunter is able to deal sneak attack damage to a studied target, he can instead attempt to hamper the target. The bounty hunter must declare that he’s using this ability before the attack roll is made. If the attack hits, it deals damage normally, but instead of rolling sneak attack damage, the bounty hunter can attempt a dirty trick combat maneuver against the studied target as a free action, adding 1 to the combat maneuver check for each die of the bounty hunter’s sneak attack damage. This combat maneuver does not provoke attacks of opportunity. This ability replaces the slayer talent gained at 2nd level.

Even if it does work at range, ranged sneak attack is also hard to reliably pull off.

Liberty's Edge

In regards to providing reliable sneak attacks from range, greater invisibility would provide sneak attacks on every attack whilst the spell is maintained (The greater variation being important as it doesn't wear off immediately after an attack). Alternatively, blinded, climbing, and enemies who have had to take an acrobatics check to move over a narrow or uneven surface are also denied dex to AC which allows for sneak attacks


About the level a slayer would have access to greater invis, he’d start running into more enemies that can ignore it.

Grand Lodge

Thanks guys!

I'm after this for Fluff, not Crunch -- the 1st Lvl PC I'm building feels "Ranged" and very feels "Dirty Trick." I'm hoping if I just take a sling and talk to the DM he'll allow it. ....Maybe there's a Halfling alternate Trait or something that lets me use a sling like Tasslehof Burefoot or something. I think it could be a fun, if not terribly optimized, PC build.


Don’t forget about the dirty fighting feat to skip some of those prerequisites, but that feat works way better with a melee build.


Not exactly what you're looking for, but a telekineticist at mid levels can use telekinetic maneuvers to pull of dirty tricks at range. Pretty far too if I read that right.


For Paizo options for Ranged Dirty Trick, Abadar is your friend, for the advanced option of Divine Fighting Technique. Unfortunately, you're locked in to using a Crossbow, but at least the prerequisite feat is something that you're going to want anyway with a Crossbow, and the basic option of Abadar's Divine Fighting Technique gives you Ranged Steal.

Not sure how to figure out the range on Kineticist's Telekinetic Maneuvers.

For more widely usable options for Ranged Dirty Trick, it looks like you have to go 3rd party, with Dreamscarred Press Path of War Dustcatching Breeze, available in the Tempest Gale path, which is availaable by way of several Path of War classes.


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The description for telekinetic maneuvers says as telekinesis, is there a reason for it not to be the spell range?


^Good point, since the spell itself has a Combat Maneuver option without restricting its range.


A hand crossbow & bolts would be a decent prop for a telekineticist to use their blast with. If an enemy tries to sunder or disarm the crossbow even once it'll have earned its keep, and you can draw the bolts as a free action.


UnArcaneElection wrote:

^Good point, since the spell itself has a Combat Maneuver option without restricting its range.

So with the power of your mind, you can pull down someone's pants from 400 feet away?

That sounds entertaining...

Grand Lodge

MageHunter wrote:
UnArcaneElection wrote:

^Good point, since the spell itself has a Combat Maneuver option without restricting its range.

So with the power of your mind, you can pull down someone's pants from 400 feet away?

That sounds entertaining...

I shoot their belt buckle. Have your seen how many belts and buckles adventures in Golarion have.


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The Archer fighter Archetype can Disarm, Feint, Sunder, Bull Rush, Grapple and Trip with Arrows.

The Bounty Hunter Slayer Archetype can Dirty Trick opponents "whenever they could otherwise inflict Sneak Attack Damage." And sometimes you can inflict SAD at Range.

Acquisitives

With the Bounty Hunter Slayer just blind them with the first dirty trick (when they are flat footed) and then they qualify for future dirty tricks, since they are blind.

Grand Lodge

Kyron "Death Knell" Shess wrote:
With the Bounty Hunter Slayer just blind them with the first dirty trick (when they are flat footed) and then they qualify for future dirty tricks, since they are blind.

The problem with dirty trick is it is a move to remove that condition until you have Greater Dirty Trick (Combat). This means that it is not likely to be affecting the enemy on their turn.

Here is a solution

Rogue talent available to slayers...

Underhanded Trick

The most important part.

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If she succeeds in giving her target the blinded condition, the target cannot remove the condition during the first round of blindness.

... and you get to skip pre-reqs so you save a feat.


Abadar's divine fighting technique lets you perform steal with a crossbow, the advanced version allows for dirty trick. Advanced requires BAB+10 so if you are starting at a lower level its not your best option but it is still an option


Grandlounge wrote:
Kyron "Death Knell" Shess wrote:
With the Bounty Hunter Slayer just blind them with the first dirty trick (when they are flat footed) and then they qualify for future dirty tricks, since they are blind.

The problem with dirty trick is it is a move to remove that condition until you have Greater Dirty Trick (Combat). This means that it is not likely to be affecting the enemy on their turn.

Here is a solution

Rogue talent available to slayers...

Underhanded Trick

The most important part.

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If she succeeds in giving her target the blinded condition, the target cannot remove the condition during the first round of blindness.
... and you get to skip pre-reqs so you save a feat.

Underhanded Trick is usually the way by which I would get Improved Dirty Trick for a character like this.

Also, I would always get Greater Dirty trick ASAP.

Good calls.

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