Kingmaker: The Stolen Lands [Gestalt]

Game Master Æroden

I thought Vik would do so, but Krazok would also, see his post.

Don't see any post from him explaining the girl.. She by herself? Was that a spell/sla or?

And did you catch my spoilered question on the previous page?

SO MUCH TO TAKE ON BOARD!

Here goes.... :p

I'll catch up and respond to the Dragonkin in a bit, after this plays out. :p

LOL I go to bed for ONE night...!

Torq, Selena has not been explained to the new players, unless it has been explained in game since I have been gone. It was a SLA.

If it was an SLA; was it one that affects native outsiders? I had a tiefling in a CoT game who got hit with Charm Person as we were attacking the Bastards of Erebus - was about three or four rounds before we remembered that Charm Person only works on humanoids.

If you have an interest you would be affected, most males ogres, outsiders, elves, tieflings, asssimars, humans, halflings, gnomes, giants, and likely many more would be affected by this. It is more like a domain spell of lust. Though it is still her spell like ability.

Ahk just checking - after you've had a tiefling gunslinger almost wander back home in the middle of a fight, you get into the habit of double-checking these things. :P

tiefling gunslinger almost wander back home in the middle of a fight?!?
Oh wait do you mean to tell me that a charm person spell made you go home?
What was the spell?

It was Charm Person and my gunslinger tanked the rolls to resist it (the saving throw and the opposed Charisma check that accompanied the suggestion that she head home to find something for her injuries). She was almost out the door of the old church the Bastards were hold-up in when I remembered that tieflings were immune to Charm Person.

We just went with as some sort-of magical hiccup. I was going to RP the gunslinger as being very, very pissed off about someone hitting her with charm magic - her day-job was as a bounty hunter so she'd brought in more than a few people who used Charm Person and the like for less-than-savoury ends. Sadly, the game went on hiatus after a few more rounds of combat when the GM went on a trip and when she got back, something had happened in RL that meant having to drop the game.

EDIT: This was in a PbP game over on Myth Weavers, for reference, not a face-to-face game.

I guess that is a possibility, though how close was your character to the other players? Family, friends, companions, people just starting adventuring with, Just met?

Nonetheless it must have been a pretty good charisma check.

It was early in the AP - the party had only met the week before.

On another matter; I won't be posting as much tomorrow and Friday - got work experience that'll hopefully lead to a job. I'll try to post what I can in the afternoons.

Ok, good to know, if all but one PC posts for their actions in combat I will bot you. Everyone when combat happens feel free to post for one round at a time. Then I will recap. Then we will move to round 2. Just a reminder.

Back in a bit!

Just gotta go out for a few hours. :)

We gonna have a map for combat, or a grid?

Yup, when a charm wears off, normally people know they acted differently. Though her special is always active until someone casts dispel magic on her or something like that.

I will have a map, did not have time to finish it last night. I should have it up when I get home. 4 pm ish my time.

Though considering our army, I don't think there will be much of a fight, most bandits will run or surrender. You will just have to do a duel with their leader basically.

Thank you Klaus for clearing that up. I was trying to catch up one post at a time.

I suggest that for the combat perhaps we assume that all the minions are off handling the bulk of the bandits, then we deal with the leader and her retainers?

Maybe Blood can roll some dice offscreen and tell us: the tragic news that Baern ate it or Alex ran away or whatever)

Yup, that will be coming... I want the war party to basically give me an idea of what the army will do. LOL

Also a side note, because it is not said enough

You are doing a good job here Blood. Some challenges with losing players etc, but really good work keeping this going, I am sure I speak for the remaining two of us from the begining, but I appreciate it.

...Okay. I'm going to sleep now. If I wake up to 54 new posts again...XD

Thank you, I am doing my best!

Are Bandits actually honourable enough to Duel? I'm pretty sure they'd either run or fight to the death. :p

good question i thought by duel he just meant it would be our party vs the BBEG...not duel as in you stand there, I stand here and we hit each other with sticks till one falls.

:)

Though Fizzy would be game

Would be a little unfair if they failed their saves against me, with other party members there to take advantage. :p

huh? I am not overly familiar with your build

Yea, I'm avoiding talking about it in game so people can roleplay with it. Leaving it as a surprise. :D

Just found this:

Succeeding on a Saving Throw: A creature that successfully saves against a spell that has no obvious physical effects feels a hostile force or a tingle, but cannot deduce the exact nature of the attack. Likewise, if a creature's saving throw succeeds against a targeted spell, you sense that the spell has failed. You do not sense when creatures succeed on saves against effect and area spells.

Not being something I've ever been aware of before, I figured I'd look it up, and it turns out that although you only feel a hostile force or tingle, combined with the fact I was whispering, it isn't hard to put 2 and 2 together when you guys had Darkvision.

Curse the Were-Jaguar. Deceiving Lelouch, making him think she was in trouble, then she transforms into a beast and goes mental on him. Helping others was almost his downfall.

Now for the intense roleplaying!

i never rp'd i knew what you cast. if i knew i would not have begun by defending myself against a physical attack

haunted fey aspect

also how do you not have a holy symbol? I do not know clerics that well, but to my knowledge you cannot channel without one being presented. i have never seen anything to the contrary even when you do not worship a god or goddess

Something with my backstory that I've arranged with the GM. His power is a little different to your typical Cleric. How it originates at least, and yea I know about how you reacted, but it wasn't a physical attack, or attack in general. It's just unfortunate that any spell targeted at someone is considered hostile, upon reading what I quoted above. ;)

dude you cast a spell on me that would make me do something i dont want to do. That is hostile, and honestly it bothers me. you asked me in PM if i was ok with that. i said no, i said if you wanted to do dice rolls like int or diplo i would take it into my RP that is it.

Spells that are considered harmless actually have that keyword of harmless in the spell info itself. Everything else is easily considered a harmful act with varying degrees of subsequent forgiveness. This is precisely why spellcasters have to use their brains more often than their magic. Just to clarify.

welp folks it would appear that lelouche or myself is leaving. I leave it up to DM to decide.

I completely support whatever choice he wishes to make

I will not play with a player like him, I find myself being upset by my interaction with him and that is ridiculous.

If it is me that leaves, those of you I just met I hope the game is a good time for you all
Vik and Rekkla I had a blast playing with you

If it is him, I hope he has a wonderful new game to play

An ultimatum....over a spell being cast that was to get my guy out of trouble.

I think you should just stop generalising and realise that not every player on here has ill intentions. I just sent you a PM explaining the matter in full. If I wanted to kill anyone in game, I could try (and fail), but I'm a Cleric, and a good one (NG) at that, so it's not his intention.

I too got annoyed, more so for the fact that you let out of character reasons effect how you roleplay. I didn't once ask you to change your character personality (you did of me, and I did accordingly because you threatened to stop playing if my guy didn't stop being arrogant...before Fizz even met him) and so I had hoped you'd have been able to take such a simple spell and roleplay with it.

Lelouch purposely chose not to cast something offensive on you, but he's slow, has no stealth and I didn't even say I was sneaking in to start with. My intention was to just walk in, but the GM obviously made me go in stealthily for a reason, so I went with it.

He used his brain however. He's slow at only 20ft movement, and so his best option was to command you to run away from him, so he could effectively retreat...which didn't work out for him sadly.

I just wish people like you could roleplay more and not let personal feelings get in the way.

Lelouch has no clothes right now, because his best ones were ripped up, but I'm roleplaying it to see what happens.

Though thanks for making it so I'm forced to leave. :/

Perhaps this is all me. I leave it to the DM to decide.

The only OOC thing that effected my RP is that I do not do PvP. Otherwise YOU WOULD BE DEAD. Torq could not have stopped the cat enough. I am CN, he is nice, but you attacked him with a non harmless spell, as Klaus pointed out.

I made the post public so if others would prefer I left they can let DM know. You and I do not play well together so we shouldn't.

Best of luck to you in this game or in the next.

Not every character needs to get on. If you left it for a bit, Lelouch wouldn't be speaking to you, so it won't actually effect anything.

RAW say it's harmful, but if you immerse yourself, being told to run away doesn't deal damage to you in any way, so as per the definition of the word, it is not harmful. The only thing probably making it harmful is the fact it takes free will away for 1 round and 1 round only.

I made sure Lelouch went out of his way to try and befriend you, so just kind of calm down and see it for what it is - An in game move to get one character as far as possible away from another, after going to help and then discovering something he shouldn't have. I would act this way in real life if I had the ability to and couldn't do anything physical if my life depended on it, and you saved, and almost had Lelouch killed in return, so I'd say you've got your payback.

It's just sad because I've only just joined, am getting to know the other characters and it's like you just won't give me or my character a chance to enjoy the game.

This was the last game I was going to play before leaving these forums and stopping pathfinder in general, and I thought having been nice enough to change my characters personality to keep you in game, you could have been kind enough to return the favour. I'm just mistaken, which is a shame, because Blood is one of the best GM's I've played with on here.

To everyone else in the game.

I apologize for all of you having to read our squabble. This should have been carried out off the forum, I am mostly to blame for that.

I just participated in a 30 post whining contest because I was not having fun, which of course took away from your fun. If I remain I shall strive to be better in the future.

Personally, I think that the fight should be retcon'd out so it never happened, but it's Blood's call.

My only complaint is how we can't seem to stick to a single point in time and keep jumping about. It's hard to keep track of.

Could easily just continue it from the point Lelouch heard stuff, and have him flee at 4x his speed back to camp.

It would allow for the roleplay to continue and not detract from the story. I only had him cast the spell because I didn't think he'd escape in time.

Anyway, I agree about the jumping about thing because it's really hard to keep track of what's going on. This crying girl in the woods I thought was originally before the war party and now we're on the war party again, so I don't really know what's currently happening.

It cannot continue for me.

1. Le Louche and his style of play bothers me, it has for a while. That does not change.

2. It was not my choice to have the fight happen. People seem to think that it was my choice to have the cat attack it was not. I had a pm from DM asking me what fizzy would do. He told me someone cast a spell on you, what does fizzy do. I made my first post then had to go to work, so I told him round 2 would be inspire courage, unless something makes it all stop.
He says that is what his character would have done Well I did what mine would have done. He was attacked they captureded the one doing the attacking and he bound and gagged him and removed his armor and weapons.

3. I told lelouche a while back after looking at his play while catching up that the way he played his character as an arrogant, entittled brat was really not a lot of fun for me and could he tone it down. Meanwhile he told me that if I was elected king he would work to have me overthrown, possibly imporisoned and was that ok.

4. I told him no, I am ok if we make rolls like diplo against each other and have tht color the RP but that is it. If I wanted a game with PvP I would play a game with PvP

5. After our argument I look at it this morning and I see myself getting aggravated by a player that obviously has stuck in my craw and brought the worst out in me, and in him I see a player that refuses to take any responsibility . He told me either in pm or here that he has done so much to make sure everyone has a good time and no one is bothered, Yet I distinctly told him that I HATE PvP and when he made his first action he said in the post something along the lines of this might be seen as PvP by some players

6. I am at fault in this as well, I apologized to all for dragging you into the muck, and have made it clear that I will no longer play this game with him. I believe that it should be DM's choice, not mine not lelouche's. I made that post public because I believe that you all should be allowed to say. "I think Fizzy is wrong, or I dont like Fizzy any way" or the reverse so he can make an educated choice.

So if it is me that goes I wish you and he the best of fun, if it is he I still wish him the best of fun.

EDIT: I will be off at work with no internet for the majority of the day, as I am at a different site. So for me, this truly is the end of it all one ay or another. and added a thought

To be honest, I have actually been very fair with how I've acted. You said his arrogant style bothered you, but still gave me the ultimatum of "if you don't change his style and character, I won't play", so his personality seemed to magically change completely, as I did as you asked and changed it.

The spell was also well intended, serving its purpose of not harming Fizz or Lelouch, but I can't change the way you feel even if to me, it's very generalistic. I explained everything, we both have our reasons. I'm willing to roleplay on, and it's a shame you don't feel the same, but I'm just tired of arguing really. Everyone should just get along and continue with the game.

Any shot at King right now for Lelouch has been compromised, as characters believe him to be an assassin, he was almost killed and he has been stripped of all dignity. If an escape plan could go horribly wrong, this would be it, and I feel that personally it more than makes up for the issue. In regard to personalities, Klaus has a cold personality and Lelouch was and now can be, arrogant. We were both spoken to by Blood and as far as I'm aware, we both changed our play style accordingly. :)

Nope, Blood never spoke with me about anything regarding personality.

Hmm. I could have sworn he mentioned that he'd said something to you, via a PM conversation I was having with him a day or so ago. Guess not then, but yea, there are a lot of strong personalities in this group, so anything can happen and I changed Lelouch's personality because although he's Noble and carries most traits of a stereotypical man of wealth, his real arrogance is with his enemies. He's just assertive with his party members/allies at times when things need to be done, and I feel that can be somewhat easily and mistakenly received as arrogance.

He can be a little cheeky and has a sense of humour in the more light hearted of situations though, and Klaus has already witnessed that, with his little water trick.

Point being, I never changed anything about how I rp the charcter nor was ever told I was contributing to any problems. Ergo, don't look at me! :)

Sorry guys. Ugh. I think I'm coming down with a flu or something, I've just been sleeping around the clock. Blagh. Trying to catch up now.

Get well soon Lexi! :)

I guess that PM did not get to Klaus, I will get to that.

I would appreciate it if you do need to do a lot of OOC, please do it in the discussion board. Boys, just let it go and we will see what happens in the roleplaying.

Get plenty of sleep, and I will pray for your health.