I believe I got it!
I used Lueck's compartmentalization system so you can check stats without looking at a massive wall of text :]
Mini-stats are done as well.
EDIT: A quick heads up, I delayed my original build plan to levels 5-6, so when I actually start it, I will be able to use it effectively.
Basically, the idea is to make opponents take falling damage and AoOs by shunting them up in the air, doing AoOs, knock them backwards, rinse and repeat.
Yes, I did figure out how to launch people 10 feet in the air 8>)
Profile looks good now Talric. Nice new avatar too.
Question, how are you getting 21 con during rage?
Raging Vitality. It gives me an additional +2 to Construction during rage.
At least, I think that's how it works. The wording was slightly unclear.
Human bonus feat.
So it's going to be team init then? One group goes then the other?
If that's the case I would use 1 init roll for both teams using the average init mod of each.
Also my Seize the initiative ability allow me to roll twice on init. 6 times a day. It becomes significantly more powerful on a group init system. Don't know if you're ok with that.
I personally prefer individualized initiatives (because it does make a difference on gaming theory and balance issues and such*), but, I'm not playing a class where it's really going to matter a whole lot to me one way or the other, so if you're doing initiative the way you've outlined, I have no real objections.
*Simple example: you're fighting a group of baddies that is, say, a bunch of ambushy rogue cultist types with one high level cleric boss. The cultists all have a high initiative on account of being roguey types; the cleric has the traditional crap cleric initiative. But in the 'group' initiative thing, he gets to piggyback on the higher initiative of his fast minions, and possibly gets a chance to throw down a mass area spell or a buff before the party can join combat with him, etc etc. And sure, you can make the argument that this could benefit PCs, too, but, frankly, PCs are more likely to have a wide spread of initiatives because of the wide variety of roles the PCs tend to fill, whereas enemy monsters are much likelier to have a uniform initiative-- a mob of hobgoblins, or skeletons, or whatever.
So a group initiative tends to flatten out PCs into an 'average' which will benefit 'slow' PCs like traditional clerics and bulky fighters, but will disadvantage high dex or high init builds like rogues, casters, etc. It flattens out enemies into an average too, but enemies (tend to) have less variety within one encounter for their initiatives.
I personally tend to do 'clustered' initiatives as a PBP GM, personally. I roll for each PC, and the ones who got a number higher than the bad guys get to go first in one 'group' (but are not restricted to acting in a strict order among themselves, because that's not often feasible in PBP), then the baddies, then the PCs who rolled after the baddies, in a second group. (If I have two distinct types of baddies, one that goes fast and another that goes slow, I sometimes split them up too.)
After the first round, things will basically even out into a PCs/enemies situation anyway, but it does mean that in that first round, rogue strikers or high-initiative casters get the benefit of their first-round attacks, which otherwise they might not, if the initiative of slow PCs is dragging them down.
...sorry, that was a really long shpiel. Like I said, that's all from a game balance/theory perspective-- I personally am not OBJECTING to you doing group initiative as you've outlined, I'm just offering my own thoughts on it in general.
*cough* Anyway. I'm fine with the teams as outlined, and thank you for going to that work, Kara, it's appreciated from this corner!
I personally tend to do 'clustered' initiatives as a PBP GM, personally. I roll for each PC, and the ones who got a number higher than the bad guys get to go first in one 'group' (but are not restricted to acting in a strict order among themselves, because that's not often feasible in PBP), then the baddies, then the PCs who rolled after the baddies, in a second group. (If I have two distinct types of baddies, one that goes fast and another that goes slow, I sometimes split them up too.)After the first round, things will basically even out into a PCs/enemies situation anyway, but it does mean that in that first round, rogue strikers or high-initiative casters get the benefit of their first-round attacks, which otherwise they might not, if the initiative of slow PCs is dragging them down.
That's actually pretty much how Grimmy does it. He may not have explained it that way, but I've seen how it works and that's pretty much it.
Sorry for intruding into your guys' thread, but I read all the threads for the mega-campaign. As one of his players, I can tell you it works out quite well. Y'know, until you almost die from horrible pbp die rolls. But that has nothing to do with the initiative system the DM uses.
Thanks for weighing in, Jeb! Not intruding at all.
Ah, okay then. I've had some PBP GMs who literally just stick all the PCs into one group and all the monsters into another with no distinction at all between fast and slow PCs, and sometimes that can really screw people over.
I honestly don't have a problem with doing initiative whatever way. There's pros and cons to all ways of doing it in PbP. Also, I'm happy with whatever group I'm put in!
Just need to make a section for skills and figure out what happened to the section for feats. If anyone sees something that I need to put in, please let me know.
@dm still brainstorming the constructs. I figured out how to get their damage and all that but I can't seem to find anything that tiny animated objects deal non-lethal damage.
Perhaps you could modify the Astral Construct power?
How you feel about the special abilities listed here. Looks like a tiny animated object would have Construction Point and some of those could make a construct viable in combat except they aren't all from major books. Specifically, the burn ability seems to be from PF #43 which I'm guessing is the magazine.
I'd use burn to make a small magically heating teapot that could be magically overclocked to burn people in combat if it hit. 1d6 burn damage which is about on par with most of the summon monster level 1 critters. Seems like something Christoff might do, take something completely harmless and find a way to burn people with it.
Now I'm imagining the teapot from Beauty and the Beast as a weapon, sadly my teapot would not be able to speak. I'll keep brainstorming.
Burn is the same ability fire elementals have.
Save that for the candle stick.
Ah, didn't realize this could cause things to catch fire. That would be a bit much, I'm good with it just being the damage. Would the damage still be typed as fire?
Non-lethal damage is amusing to me. In terms of a construct, I'm imagining one bumping into someone's shins until they passed out.
Would using summon monster for constructs lock me out of any normal summons? I know you mentioned making a list to replace the normal list but I'm struggling to come up with constructs that compete with things like the dire rat.
Depending on the level and CR, the inevitables might serve as a good template with the right flavor.
I've been thinking about and I think if I try to create some diverse constructs for the level 1 list that serve different purposes. Just as an example, maybe a kind of scout with effects of the alarm spell but sacrifices attack stats to get the benefit. It's just an idea and it doesn't have to be that one.
Sorry if it sounded like I was complaining, I appreciate you allowing for my idea.
The ability isnt a re-roll I have to declare who gets to do it before the dice are thrown. Typically I would choise the rogue type or whoever was in the most immediate danger.
I don't fully understand how init is done so if a flat +3 is easiest to roll with then I'm ok with it.
If I may suggest, what if we substitute the mechanics of the Seize the Initiative ability with a scaling flat bonus? Perhaps equal to her Wisdom or Charisma modifier, or half of her cleric level? That would be a little weaker to start with, but it would make it a more meaningful ability as she advances.
My cha mod is 0 and my wis is a prime stat likely to reach +7 at some point. Not the best solution.
Most days I don't see a group rolling init 7+ times a day. 13 encounters is about the number it takes to level. A dungeon might have a lot of small encounters that could get us there. So it's getting used every time init is rolled. And because the group acts on the same init it wouldn't matter who I used it on.
But the flat bonus is fine by me too. Simple is good.
Maybe take an alternate domain/subdomain? Since that power isn't really going to be of much use with this kind of initiative system.
Another viable option.
I would prefer to do it that way. Probably use it on the person with the highest modifier for init.
I don't mind. Both?
Either way is fine by me. Whenever you're ready.
Whatever works for you.
So are you guys antsy to start or can you hang on a couple weeks?
I'm patient. You're going to be doing a lot of the heavy lifting, so to speak, in terms of preparation and so forth. So take your time!
I can hang on a bit. The weekend after this, I'm going to be at Kubla Con, so there'll be a solid 4-day chunk where it'll probably be slow-if-any posting from me.
I'd like to read up on some more world info first and I think Christoff is still working on his construct idea?
Have you seen ditzie.com? It's a great map web app that is super easy to update. Basically goto the site, move your token, hit enter, and you get a url for the new version. Check out the campaign I'm in with Ungra to see how it works. Only downside is doesn't work on phones.
Pardon the intrusion, but I thought I should note, as a primarily phone poster, that there is no token moving app that works on phones.
You might need to get the new apps for sheets. Google broke docs and sheets into apps separate from drive.