So i now have a google account and...I don't have permission to view the document..
I think I fixed it. Try again.
https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AttbM8X3dv3zdGdPWFV5Ml FHbnd0MHZFOGRXcTlGUFE&hl=en_US
So i now have a google account and...I don't have permission to view the document..I think I fixed it. Try again.
https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AttbM8X3dv3zdGdPWFV5Ml FHbnd0MHZFOGRXcTlGUFE&hl=en_US
If that doesn't work slip me an e-mail address and I can get you edit access. Unless Atzi chooses to just open it up that is.
The spread sheet looks good to me.
On another note my vacation is drawing near so my posting in the near future will be limited to non existing. I should be able to post at a reasonable rate until the 2nd-3rd of august, after which i will be travelling to spain and won't be back until the 15th of august. So please DMPC Natalyah as needed and i hope it won't cause to much of a problem.
The spread sheet looks good to me.
On another note my vacation is drawing near so my posting in the near future will be limited to non existing. I should be able to post at a reasonable rate until the 2nd-3rd of august, after which i will be travelling to spain and won't be back until the 15th of august. So please DMPC Natalyah as needed and i hope it won't cause to much of a problem.
Aw, man! And Setebo was just getting Natalyah to warm up to him. She might have even told him her name. In a week or so :7).
Have fun in Spain.
Is it juswt me or is this the perfect time to hit us with an encounter?
Lady of blades is alone at least a full move from the group. Setebo and Helga are or hearly are out of sight checking the new campsite and the rest of the pc/npc group is spreading out.
The NPC/sick group are still back at the previous camp waiting for you lot to find a new one.
But yes now you come to mention it it would be the perfect time for the evil Dm to throw an encounter at you
ALL!!
Equipment stuff.
We could stand to divy up the useful loot. I have a strange feeling that we have not seen the worst that this island can throw at us so we should be ready.
The following stuff really needs a home.
*7 potions of Cure light. We should all have one for emergencies.
*1 Potion of Cure Moderate. Should be carried by the best healer or left in camp as cure lights will keep us up for now.
*4 Potions of Lesser Restoration. Jask can help long term but these will help us get a diseased/poisioned castaway back to camp. Maybe save 2 for emergencies in camp?
*Potion of Remove Disease. Not sure if this needs to leave the camp.
*Potion of Water Breathing & Potion of Water Walking. There is no reason for these to be in camp. Someone should be carrying these.
*Scroll of Raise Dead. Can anyone other than Jask actually use this? Safer in camp I think. We can lug your corpse if needed.
*3 Sunrods. It's not a party on a deserted island without glowsticks! Folks w/o darkvision should have one just in case.
*One flask of Alchimest's Fire. A ranged attacker needs to carry this. Imagine meeting the cannibal chief/tess on a path. Now imagine her/him on fire. Which image is more appealing? As far as I am concerned splash damage is not a threat so fire away!
*12 Flasks of oil. Can you imagine how much fun we could have with this much oil. Ok, now stop and get your minds out of the gutter. We have four characters with access to the spark cantrip. Even if the bards did not select it Amisi can scribe scrolls. These should be shared out.
*3 Masterwork arrows. We have at least two bow users. Save them for important shots, granted but better with us than back in camp.
*Masterwork dagger. Ok not the greatest as weapons go but someone must need a good backup weapon.
Setebo is drooling over the Masterwork greataxe and the breastplate and will be asking to swipe them if there is the likelyhood of a dungeon/pitched battle.
Remember link to gear spreadsheet in my alias.
Entering "no post" mode for about 1.5 weeks. Will be back around the 15th of august. Keep Natalyah alive until then! :)
Entering "no post" mode for about 1.5 weeks. Will be back around the 15th of august. Keep Natalyah alive until then! :)
Have fun!
Imagine 12 flasks of oil with an alchemists fire in one mighty conflagration.
Setebo is right you should make more use of expendables.
I added DM wellard as someone who can edit it as well, but anyone with the link should be able to view it. For some reason we got set to where anyone who views it can modify it >.<; so I changed it back only because of bad things happening in the last pbp I was in and I left it set up where anyone could edit. Then we had a very angry guy get kicked and he edited it with the delete key ;-; it sucked.
thanks for all the help Setebo, your a god send xD
Thank you both for the work you have done it makes my job much easier.
I think I set it to anyone edit. Sorry.
Atzi and Wellard. Very welcome, though Atzi and the lost player did most of the work.. It is fun working on something like this and I am glad to make the GM's life easier. Gm engagement is far more important than player engagement in a good campaign.
GM Gear questions
1. Are the 25 rations fron Setebo and Inkathru included in the daily food total?
2. Can the backpack from the spider lair be mended and would it be useful to do so? Do we need another back to move gear?
3. The sheets of parchment 'covered in survey data' found in the spider lair. Anything interesting/legible?
4. Value of the locket with the half-elf picture?
5. Can any of us use the scroll of raise dead? Can Jask?
Seriously though. This stuff needs to be carried.
Prospective allotment. *Blatent meta-gaming ahead.*
7 potions of CLW. 7 players. One each: Yes or no?
Potion of cure moderate. One of the Bards? Or Jask? Healers get the best healing potions cause they can bring the rest of us around so long as they are up. I am recording this as Jask unless I hear otherwise.
Cure disease and Lesser restoration. In camp/Jask for now.
Water breathing. Setebo is the best swimmer in the group. I think he could make the best use of this. For example if one of you went into the drink a water breathing Setebo would be your best chance at rescue. Recording it with Setebo unless there are issues.
Water walking. A poor swimmer should carry this. I nominate the Captain as that armor will send him straight to the bottom.
Sunrods. I have darkvision so I am good you nightblind folks work this out amongst yourselves. If you want my opinion I would give one each to Cutlass, Atzi, and the Captain. Atzi, imagine Quetza with a glowing sunrod round her neck flying ahead of us in the darkness....
Alchemists fire. Helga has the best ranged to-hit of the non melee types. I think this goes to her.
Oil. One each? That leaves 5 more. A second flask for Helga, Cutless, Amisi, Setebo and Atzi gives us quite an alpha strike if we need to set something on fire. To cuote the gm Imagine 12 flasks of oil with an alchemists fire in one mighty conflagration. Atzi can Quetza make bombing runs? Amisi can you carry two oil flasks? I play wizards and I know they have encumbrance issues.
The three masterwork arrows. To Helga or Natalyah? Natalyah is a touch better with the bow but she is also more likely to be fighting hand to hand.
Masterwork dagger. It was a dagger that killed the plant-woman. Does anyone need a piercing/slashing to cut through DR? In fact could everyone who considers melee an option do a quick check to make sure you are carrying weapons of the three damage types? DR is nasty, the plant-woman took a solid longspear hit and kept coming.
Sorry to bug folks about this but we appear to be moving into more dangerous territory.
Remember link to gear spreadsheet in my alias
Setebo I think only three of us check this thread regularly so I'll mention loot division in the game thread.
1. Are the 25 rations fron Setebo and Inkathru included in the daily food total?
2. Can the backpack from the spider lair be mended and would it be useful to do so? Do we need another back to move gear?
3. The sheets of parchment 'covered in survey data' found in the spider lair. Anything interesting/legible?
4. Value of the locket with the half-elf picture?
5. Can any of us use the scroll of raise dead? Can Jask?
I'm perfectly fine with the division as proposed though I'd like to note that even with the armor Caithan's not a terrible swimmer.
I am fine with that division also!
Setebo I think only three of us check this thread regularly so I'll mention loot division in the game thread.
Thank you!
And thanks for answering my long list of loot questions.
Updating sheet now.
I'm perfectly fine with the division as proposed though I'd like to note that even with the armor Caithan's not a terrible swimmer.
Cool and thanks for the word on Caithan swimming ability. It is good know that there are at least two folks who can function in water if we need them to.
I am fine with that division also!
Great! I will update the sheet. Thank you Helga Please!
Yes, put Atzi down for one.
I would place it with Atzi or Amisi since we are not frontliners and if the fighters go down who better to move in and give first aid. ;D
+1 to that vote. =)
Totally agree with you on this.
This is true, that would be neat but I will have to ask Wellard how far I can go with the Animal companion tricks before it becomes power gaming on my part. I've played with quite a few people wh consider any extra companions at teh beginning to be a free 'combat buddy' even though that part of the class itself. Nonetheless I have been trying to avoid making people angry.
Hence why when Quetza was attacking Atzi held off. My way of being able to utilize both options of my class without annoying people. Now i'm not saying anyone in this PBP said anything negative, just in my other PBP people freaked out over it. :P
+1 to this as well!
Oil. One each? That leaves 5 more.
Atzi can use produced flame and if we have burning hands we can save that alchemist fire for when we truly need it. =D
That would be upto the DM, I don't mind spending a skill point when he levels up to teach him to pick up and drop things but that is a Dynamic that I have not used with Quetza ^^;
Setebo and Wellard get all the credit for setting up the spreadsheet, I merely provided the model and They took off with it. Awesome work guys and thanks for taking care of it lol I take care of three others just like it and a fourth would be hard for me to maintain alone. >.<; Thanks again!
This is true, that would be neat but I will have to ask Wellard how far I can go with the Animal companion tricks before it becomes power gaming on my part. I've played with quite a few people who consider any extra companions at the beginning to be a free 'combat buddy' even though that part of the class itself. Nonetheless I have been trying to avoid making people angry.
Hence why when Quetza was attacking Atzi held off. My way of being able to utilize both options of my class without annoying people. Now I'm not saying anyone in this PBP said anything negative, just in my other PBP people freaked out over it. :P
Well that is just plain silly. The companion is as much a part of the druid as rage is part of a barbarian. Go to town as far as I am concerned. Atzi is a spellcasting druid at least at the moment. So she needs the oomph of a bloodletting dino bodyguard. I do mot even detect a hint of cheese here.
I have no problem with you and Quetza in combat together..heck Rangers use their ACs as flank buddies all the time..at least he isn't a tiger..now there is a broken companion.
I have no problem with you and Quetza in combat together..heck Rangers use their ACs as flank buddies all the time..at least he isn't a tiger..now there is a broken companion.
Mental note....Get tiger.
:7)
I have no problem with you and Quetza in combat together..heck Rangers use their ACs as flank buddies all the time..at least he isn't a tiger..now there is a broken companion.Mental note....Get tiger.
:7)
But you are the tiger...
Does that make me Natalya's companion?
The Druid in my Kingmaker game had a Tiger Companion..with greater Magic Fang cast on it the bloody cat did more damage per round than any of the combat types in the party.
Yes, Ihave seen a few druids that buffed their companions like mad and then sent them in as the party tank. I agree they should be effective but perhaps not THAT effective.
Yes, Ihave seen a few druids that buffed their companions like mad and then sent them in as the party tank. I agree they should be effective but perhaps not THAT effective.
As the resident hit point sack I want to say I have NO PROBLEM with this tactic
Sounds more like the fighter types needed some love, or some work.
A good archer alone in this game could crush the tiger before it got into pounce range.
Sounds more like the fighter types needed some love, or some work.
A good archer alone in this game could crush the tiger before it got into pounce range.
Mental note. Protection from normal missiles for Setebo/Quetza/Rollo.
May also be the case that folks were not expecting the kitty to do that well so it just looked like a player wat being outdone by a class feature. Then again from what I've seen of kingmaker a tiger (pounce, high stealth & perception) would be the perfect companion.
Do you see similiar problems on the horizion with Quetza or Rollo?
Sounds more like the fighter types needed some love, or some work.
A good archer alone in this game could crush the tiger before it got into pounce range.
Mental note. Protection from normal missiles for Setebo/Quetza/Rollo.
May also be the case that folks were not expecting the kitty to do that well so it just looked like a player wat being outdone by a class feature. Then again from what I've seen of kingmaker a tiger (pounce, high stealth & perception) would be the perfect companion.
Do you see similiar problems on the horizion with Quetza or Rollo?
Rollo will be interesting since he'll be joined in two levels by a puppy I'm going to boost with Boon Companion. Not sure how Wellard will want to handle this but we'll work soemthign out.
Screw it, I'm getting a horse, killing all of you and building a mansion so Caithan can hunt the most dangerous game...
At 7th Level the tiger has STR 23 DEX 17 and up to 4 attacks/round against medium or smaller creatures..bite counts as all vs DR
Quetza on the other hand will not be advancing till Lvl 9 and by then you should all be able to out do him in damage.
Dogs are about average on the companion scale.
Screw it, I'm getting a horse, killing all of you and building a mansion so Caithan can hunt the most dangerous game...
Hmmm a hunting lodge and a Tiki bar, we are bringing consumer oriented, needs based resources to an traditionally underdeveloped area. Wellard, can we get a grant?
Screw it, I'm getting a horse, killing all of you and building a mansion so Caithan can hunt the most dangerous game...
Hmmm a hunting lodge and a Tiki bar, we are bring consumer oriented, needs based resources to an traditionally underdeveloped area. Wellard, can we get a grant?
And I thought you were a man of taste sir!
Fatal was, is and will forever be a joke, I liked the most dangerous game. Orson Wells did a nice tribute to it in an Shadow episode...at least I think it was during his run.
And as far as taste I can assure you that only real gin, local dark rum and the freshest fruits will be served at the Tiki bar.
DM. Tiger, Gneahhhh! WOW. That may be just a tad overpowered.
Let's see, A tiger at level 7 would hit at about a +11 For Claws with +9 for bite assuming multi attack. Average damage of about 32-33 assuming all attacks hit. That's not bad if we take in power attack we can get even better.
So let's take our friend Setebo here.
At 7th, while raging, oh and let's say he also got greater magic fang cast on him by our friendly neighborhood druid. And we'll say he got a bite attack too. His claws will hit at a +12 Bite at +7 because we don't assume multiattack. Average damage will be at about 27 ish. So the tiger edges out a touch due to being bigger. Also I don't knwo everythign Setebo is going to have so he might be doing even more.
If we take an equivalent level Zen Archer Monk with a +1 Mighty(3) Longbow which he can have easily at that level he'll be pumping out 4 attacks at about +10 for the first 3 and +5 for the last one with a Ki Point spent. You can add or subtract depending on distance. Each of these shots will be hitting for around 1d8+6 themselves. So you're running into an average damage from all attacks of about 38. I'm not taking into account Deadly Aim or any feats that they don't get automatically. If you add Many shot and Point Blank shot and get me to about 30ft you can add another 15 damage on that total for 53 damage. And of course since we're already throwing spell effects about let's say the party's awesome cast Haste on me letting me slap people about with an extra +1 attack bonus and with another 10 damage. But, you can argue he's not a proper fighter type.
So, let's look at the boring equivalent level fighter with a +1 Greatsword (yawn). He's just level 7. We'll have to give him feats of course since that's what fighters do. So let's get an average list. And let's sut assume he has an 18 strength, that's fine right? Pretty average for a fighter wanting to smack things about. We'll make him human. So let's grab our class features.
1 Weapon focus
1 Power Attack
1 Iron Will
2 Furious Focus
3
4 Weapon specialization
5
6 Vital Strike
7
Forget it I don't need anymore feats. So I'm swinging this sword at a +14 on my first attack for about 23 damage on one attack. Add me a second attack and I'm hitting for 46. If I'm not full attacking I'm Vital striking so it's more like 30 damage. So my boring two handed fighter is chopping people in half with one attack. This is a pretty basic boring fighter with no fun stuff like overruning, assault feats, sundering etc. No archetypes and beyond furious focus to boost my first attack up it's completely core. If you just gave him a simple buff, let's say for the sake of argument Bull's Strength he'll outright surpass the tiger.
I think the thign to remember here is that animal companions evolve at bursts rather then a steady climb like player characters. Also a Tiger's pretty simplistic compared to a character like Caithan, Setebo, or even mine or Poor Wandeirng One's paladins. A tiger will never cast spells, or break out a bow to shoot at flying enemies, nor will it ever negotiate with ornery inquisitors or attempt to arrest quasit's for conspiring to cause a riot (actually happened). Rollo mainly carries my crap, gets belly rubs and sniffs thins out. Occasionally he trips people so Caithan can hack them to bits. The tiger is almost entirely reliant on his druid master to accomplish anythign more than being a moderate to minor distraction. He needs to be buffed and kitted out to come close to what a fighter type can really do.
So, yeah, if its outdamaging your groups fighter types they're either doing somethign wrong, or are simply focused more on other aspects of their respective classes.
Indeed. Damage is not everything, there is also AC, other class abilities etc to factor in.
Let's see, A tiger at level 7 would hit at about a +11 For Claws with +9 for bite assuming multi attack. Average damage of about 32-33 assuming all attacks hit. That's not bad if we take in power attack we can get even better.
So let's take our friend Setebo here.
At 7th, while raging, oh and let's say he also got greater magic fang cast on him by our friendly neighborhood druid. And we'll say he got a bite attack too. His claws will hit at a +12 Bite at +7 because we don't assume multiattack. Average damage will be at about 27 ish. So the tiger edges out a touch due to being bigger. Also I don't knwo everythign Setebo is going to have so he might be doing even more.
Actually the multiattack does not matter so long as one is only using natural attacks. So the claw-claw-bite will all be at +12 and there may be the odd trick or two up his hairy sleeve.
But a very good breakdown. It will be very interesting to see how our little band developes.
note. Setebo can always use build advice.
The attack sequence would be..pounce claw-claw-bite-rake(if he makes a grab against a medium or smaller creature) for 3d6+d8+28(he gets a +1 for the greater Magic fang on all damage) so an average of 42 a round if everything hits.
My fighters are
1) Dwarf Urgosh specialist..
2)Aldori Swordlord..
Both off whom average about 33 a round
Things have gone quiet.....too quiet.
Are we waiting for our friendly local ranger to return?
No I'm waiting for you lot to actually decide on doing something.I cant take that decision as a DMPC.
Don't look at me I'm just a man with a big sword and a big dog.
Sorry my 4 month old son went in for his immuni shots and hes having a really REALLY rough time. =/ Posting shortly!
np Corue..Rl first always
Sorry my 4 month old son went in for his immuni shots and hes having a really REALLY rough time. =/ Posting shortly!
Poor little dude. I was tough to give shots too until about age 6 then I became facinated by the idea that there was more 'me' under the skin. I was a strange little kid.
I was just strange, end of.
So pretty sure we have seen off the plant people. Shall we start thinking about what is next?
Do we want to move the camp to plant-woman ridge or is spider-holme a better place for right now?
I am also wondering where exactly we are now? Is there a map of the island?
Amisi, assuming we live through this would you mind using mending on a few of the captured sabers? They will make good backup weapons and excellent machetes. Might even be worth something once we reach civilization.
Cutlass I will be sorry to see you go. Two bards a druid and a wizard looked like an interesting spell dynamic. I was looking forward to seeing how you and Helga diverged. Also you get a monkey next level right? You can't leave before you get a monkey! Just picture it....your monkey, riding Quetza, raining alchemical death on your enemies.
Helga has mending and will happily use it on whatever needs it.
Helga has mending and will happily use it on whatever needs it.
Cool, Teach me to forget that bards have the best spell list.
Speaking of which we should start budgeting for CLW and CMW wands as well as scrolls of heal.
Something to think about med term anyway.
I don't know about the tactics. I'm not a good tactician, and i don't know what the plant was capable of doing. Natalyah's outburst have nothing to do with me being frustrated. It's just Natalyah being Natalyah :)