I personally am far less annoyed with Seoni's outfit than I am with any character wearing boobplate. Seoni is a sorceress whose class features do encourage drawing her with a lack of armor. Though she is a "Ms. Fanservice" character, it doesn't come off as mind-numbingly stupid as putting a fighter in boobplate.One note on Seoni - she needs better support for the girls, there. I mean, everyday walking is going to get pretty uncomfortable with her just hanging there, and she's not doing herself any favors for her future - they will begin sag without some support. It's the one thing I just can't avoid thinking every time I see a drawing of Seoni's outfit. Even prestidigitation isn't an explanation - those things definitely weigh more than a pound total!
Ms. Door is absolutely right!
The Paizo community needs to take up a collection to buy Seoni a proper bodice. Not only will this increase her personal comfort, but the proper support for her “girls” can actually enhance her “Fanservice” role.
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I was gonna say the answer is mage hand, but then i realized that there are several flaws with that. Firstly, the spell requires concentration so shecan only support one at a time. Second I don't believe the objects are unattended at any point. Third, they're certainly not non-magical.
Levitation then.
I said it in the previous thread, I'll say it here: Bigby's Supporting Grope
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I was gonna say the answer is mage hand, but then i realized that there are several flaws with that. Firstly, the spell requires concentration so shecan only support one at a time. Second I don't believe the objects are unattended at any point. Third, they're certainly not non-magical.
Levitation then.
Unseen Servant... MUCH better duration... and failing that, I'm available.
As it is, I would think doing just about anything within line of sight of her would require a concentration check - and I wouldn't say with absolute certainty that they aren't magical...
Honestly though, while Seoni's are 'featured' more, Feiya's might be the more impressive, if not by much.
I was gonna say the answer is mage hand, but then i realized that there are several flaws with that. Firstly, the spell requires concentration so shecan only support one at a time. Second I don't believe the objects are unattended at any point. Third, they're certainly not non-magical.
Levitation then.
Unseen Servant... MUCH better duration... and failing that, I'm available.
As it is, I would think doing just about anything within line of sight of her would require a concentration check - and I wouldn't say with absolute certainty that they aren't magical...
Honestly though, while Seoni's are 'featured' more, Feiya's might be the more impressive, if not by much.
That is the thing though.
In addition to being more comfortable, A bodice can be worn to "present" the breasts (such as by minimizing the blouse normally worn under the garment), which is a definite enhancement.
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According to recent research, the idea that going without a bra causes sagging is actually incorrect. In fact, wearing a bra/bodice may cause Seoni's "girls" to become saggier over time. http://www.livescience.com/28664-bras-make-breasts-sag.html
According to recent research, the idea that going without a bra causes sagging is actually incorrect. In fact, wearing a bra/bodice may cause Seoni's "girls" to become saggier over time. Link
Really?
Well, it's just one study, so I'd say it's premature to make real-world decisions based on this information just yet. It's interesting to learn that breastfeeding may be unrelated to sagging though; it sounds like this is really more about muscle development and maintenance than external support. Also, apparently smoking has a negative impact as well.
FWIW, I think that even if we set aside fanservice, Seoni has one of the more unique outfits of the iconics. There are so many details in there. I mean, she's wearing half of a pair of pants, but only below the knee. She's wearing sleeves, but only below the elbow. She's got this giant WWF-size belt, plus straps to hold vials and stuff. And somehow, she also has a familiar that almost never gets illustrated (it's in her statblock, and appears in the Player Companion on familiars and animal companions).
She's a tattooed sorceror. Her familiar is one of her tattoos.
EDIT: Dang it! Ninja'd! As always! :)
Well, it's just one study, so I'd say it's premature to make real-world decisions based on this information just yet. It's interesting to learn that breastfeeding may be unrelated to sagging though; it sounds like this is really more about muscle development and maintenance than external support. Also, apparently smoking has a negative impact as well.
FWIW, I think that even if we set aside fanservice, Seoni has one of the more unique outfits of the iconics. There are so many details in there. I mean, she's wearing half of a pair of pants, but only below the knee. She's wearing sleeves, but only below the elbow. She's got this giant WWF-size belt, plus straps to hold vials and stuff. And somehow, she also has a familiar that almost never gets illustrated (it's in her statblock, and appears in the Player Companion on familiars and animal companions).
On the familiar (the only thing I really have any expertise on in this silly, humorous thread), Seoni is a Varisian Tattooed archetype, if I recall correctly, meaning her familiar is actually usually a tattoo (and how convenient!), thus avoiding the need to illustrate it.
Sure, that doesn't explain the illustrations before the archetype existed, but, you know... artists amirite?
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According to recent research, the idea that going without a bra causes sagging is actually incorrect.
And at any rate, her chest has clearly been shrinking over time (compare old pictures of her with newer pictures and it's pretty clear), so if the trend continues she probably won't have to worry about sagging in a few more years.
According to recent research, the idea that going without a bra causes sagging is actually incorrect.And at any rate, her chest has clearly been shrinking over time (compare old pictures of her with newer pictures and it's pretty clear), so if the trend continues she probably won't have to worry about sagging in a few more years.
Magic that made her breasts more visible (or more accurately attention attracting) slowly dissipated?
Or maybe Feiya put a curse on her... Somebody with the books check the time correlation between appearance of witch class and size of Seoni breast. For the sake of science magic of course!
Would a Valeros/Amiri costume swap make more sense? Ezren has kind of a dull outfit, too; how about a Seoni/Seltyiel costume swap?
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Here's Harsk in something skimpy. Does that count?
I'm assuming bracers of armor include a 'force bra...'
A bodice might be ambitious.
Let's start small. How about some pants?
First off, I am 110% okay with Senoi's Ms. Fanservice role. This is why I chose the bodice links I did above.
But ... (looking at what young women wear at renfairs) I was looking for something that an "intentionally sexy" young woman might actually wear.
As to her legs, I know she wants to display her body art, but a slit skirt might work better.
Alazra and Ezren should so switch outfits. And Valeros and Feiya.
As to her legs, I know she wants to display her body art, but a slit skirt might work better.Why not transparent or mostly-transparent fabric for the skirt? That way, she can display her body art and have a skirt. Best of both worlds.
Mostly because of the expense. Remember she has that dress from 1st Level.
But also, a basic level of "realism." :)
Alazra and Ezren should so switch outfits. And Valeros and Feiya.
Throw this message around in DeviantArt.
I'm quite sure someone might even do it for you.
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Wouldn't surprise me...
*Evil cackling of a low tone*
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I think we also need to do something about her dress as well. it apparently experiences some riding issues.
I fail to see the problem with that~
...okay, I do have a problem with that. Then again, we can always solve it with magic and money.
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Thing is, poor Seoni is truly an unlucky woman. She really did want to cover her body decently, but she just couldn't afford it. So, she got as much fabric as she could buy, let her hair grow out to cover her back, got a few kettles and stuff to cover her wrists and throat, and even tried to cover up the rest of her skin with tattoos, all in the name of decency. She is deeply jealous of Ezren's robe, at least if you look carefully at her glances in pictures with both of them I think that's clear. Especially her breasts are a sensitive point, since her adventuring loot could simply never let her cover their impressive size. Fabric ain't cheap.
And despite this soul-numbing poverty, Seoni remains a positive, strong woman.
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Harsk in Sean Connery's Zardoz costume.
Staring directly at the viewer.
Live with this.
Her boobs are fine, if she needed something to support them it would be invisible
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Thing is, poor Seoni is truly an unlucky woman. She really did want to cover her body decently, but she just couldn't afford it. So, she got as much fabric as she could buy, let her hair grow out to cover her back, got a few kettles and stuff to cover her wrists and throat, and even tried to cover up the rest of her skin with tattoos, all in the name of decency. She is deeply jealous of Ezren's robe, at least if you look carefully at her glances in pictures with both of them I think that's clear. Especially her breasts are a sensitive point, since her adventuring loot could simply never let her cover their impressive size. Fabric ain't cheap.
And despite this soul-numbing poverty, Seoni remains a positive, strong woman.
As to her legs, I know she wants to display her body art, but a slit skirt might work better.Why not transparent or mostly-transparent fabric for the skirt? That way, she can display her body art and have a skirt. Best of both worlds.Mostly because of the expense. Remember she has that dress from 1st Level.
But also, a basic level of "realism." :)
In a world where people can fly, violate the second law of thermodynamics, turn into animals and back again, create food and water out of thin air...?
But okay. If it's expensive, then how about she just casts an Extended Disguise Self? It should save on monetary costs.
We know that Seoni exploits her good looks. So she might actually do something like this, but I doubt that she would waste magic on such a thing. Likewise, at low levels a magic dress that did this would be prohibitively expensive.
This circles back to the question: "What does a well-dressed Varisian wear?"
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Thing is, poor Seoni is truly an unlucky woman. She really did want to cover her body decently, but she just couldn't afford it. So, she got as much fabric as she could buy, let her hair grow out to cover her back, got a few kettles and stuff to cover her wrists and throat, and even tried to cover up the rest of her skin with tattoos, all in the name of decency. She is deeply jealous of Ezren's robe, at least if you look carefully at her glances in pictures with both of them I think that's clear. Especially her breasts are a sensitive point, since her adventuring loot could simply never let her cover their impressive size. Fabric ain't cheap.
And despite this soul-numbing poverty, Seoni remains a positive, strong woman.
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Thing is, poor Seoni is truly an unlucky woman. She really did want to cover her body decently, but she just couldn't afford it. So, she got as much fabric as she could buy, let her hair grow out to cover her back, got a few kettles and stuff to cover her wrists and throat, and even tried to cover up the rest of her skin with tattoos, all in the name of decency. She is deeply jealous of Ezren's robe, at least if you look carefully at her glances in pictures with both of them I think that's clear. Especially her breasts are a sensitive point, since her adventuring loot could simply never let her cover their impressive size. Fabric ain't cheap.
And despite this soul-numbing poverty, Seoni remains a positive, strong woman.
Hey, I am still waiting for a "Fashions of Golarion" Wayfinder!
The Varisian Tattoo Magic stuff requires that you actually touch the tattoo the activate it. Transparent fabric over the tattoos would interfere with the functionality. As would pants.
Hmmm... how about a corset?
No. Too many Error: Impossible concept.
Hey, I am still waiting for a "Fashions of Golarion" Wayfinder!Thing is, poor Seoni is truly an unlucky woman. She really did want to cover her body decently, but she just couldn't afford it. So, she got as much fabric as she could buy, let her hair grow out to cover her back, got a few kettles and stuff to cover her wrists and throat, and even tried to cover up the rest of her skin with tattoos, all in the name of decency. She is deeply jealous of Ezren's robe, at least if you look carefully at her glances in pictures with both of them I think that's clear. Especially her breasts are a sensitive point, since her adventuring loot could simply never let her cover their impressive size. Fabric ain't cheap.
And despite this soul-numbing poverty, Seoni remains a positive, strong woman.
I think they are saving that for official player companion... Or would it be campaign setting material?
I think they are saving that for official player companion... Or would it be campaign setting material?Hey, I am still waiting for a "Fashions of Golarion" Wayfinder!Thing is, poor Seoni is truly an unlucky woman. She really did want to cover her body decently, but she just couldn't afford it. So, she got as much fabric as she could buy, let her hair grow out to cover her back, got a few kettles and stuff to cover her wrists and throat, and even tried to cover up the rest of her skin with tattoos, all in the name of decency. She is deeply jealous of Ezren's robe, at least if you look carefully at her glances in pictures with both of them I think that's clear. Especially her breasts are a sensitive point, since her adventuring loot could simply never let her cover their impressive size. Fabric ain't cheap.
And despite this soul-numbing poverty, Seoni remains a positive, strong woman.
One can only hope!
will this thread get either more funny or more classy
y/n