Just like the subject line reads. In our home game, my fighter sundered a magical weapon, only to have the GM roll 50 d6 damage for the release of its magical energy. Barely survived. It's a cool home game and story effect, but is there RAW to support any burst of energy when breaking magic items? For instance, could a wizard in dire straights say "screw it" snap three wands and take out the whole tower along with himself? Thanks for any input.
A Staff of the Magi has rules for retributive strike. You break the staff and do damage based on how many charges remain in the staff. The rules are in the item description, but as far as I know they apply ONLY to that particular staff.
If destroying magical items does enormous amounts of damage, consider taking up archery:
Magic Ammunition and Breakage: When a magic arrow, crossbow bolt, or sling bullet misses its target, there is a 50% chance it breaks or is otherwise rendered useless. A magic arrow, bolt, or bullet that successfully hits a target is automatically destroyed after it delivers its damage.
Your GM should seriously reconsider this houserule.
Nothing happens by RAW. Sounds to me like your GM was irritated by you using Sunder. Your issue is more likely meta than rule-based. I suggest a conversation with your GM as to what he considers to be acceptable rules of engagement as regards sunder. Sunder isn't quite as hot a button issue as level-draining was, but it IS something that a lot of GMs and players have very strong opinions about.
is there RAW to support any burst of energy when breaking magic items?
Damaging Magic Items: "Magic items, unless otherwise noted, take damage as nonmagical items of the same sort. A damaged magic item continues to function, but if it is destroyed, all its magical power is lost. Magic items that take damage in excess of half their total hit points, but not more than their total hit points, gain the broken condition, and might not function properly."
Isn't this a leftover from D&D? I haven't played D&D myself, but I think I've read that here on the boards in one of these "often overlooked changes from d&D"-threads.
No. Its the same between D&D and Pathfinder with the exception that Pathfinder also has the Broken condition.
Breaking a magic item doesn't deal damage, it only results in a broken magic item. The only exceptions are a couple of staves, which do deal damage when broken (but only when purposefully broken by the wielder).
Azaelas Fayth wrote:
Only as a houserule, or possibly something in a third party product. By RAW, in both 3.5 and Pathfinder, breaking a magic item of any type does nothing but result in a broken magic item. With the exception of a couple of staves, which must be broken by the wielder on purpose to do damage. (Though there may be a few more, they would still be exceptions. By default, nothing happens.)
2nd ed AD&D DMG black reprint wrote:
I am pro-this, but I think my players (at least my previous group, perhaps not this one) know I steer towards an AD&D style of DMing. That you are going to do things like this is something you should be clear with your players on.
we used to play in 2nd ed that any item that had charges and was broken, either accidentally or on purpose, let all its charges go centered on the item in question. a fully charged wand of fireballs breaking was a nuke.
sometimes evil dms would base traps off of this (triggering the trap made an axe cut a wand of fireballs in half)
Wow, 50d6 damage? WTF was the item?
I could maybe see something happening if the item was destroyed, but from what I inferred it was just broken? (broken can still be used at -2/-2 (if it's weapon) penalty, FYI)
Even for breaking, unless it was an artifact or +10 item (which could very much have been the case if you happened to survive the blast; You'd be what— level 16+?), 50d6 seems excessive.
Maybe like 4d6 per enhancing modifier point at worst.
Wands could maybe be 1 spell effect for each 5 charges remaining or something if it's AoE, and maybe as much as 1 spell effect for each charge remaining if it's a targeted spell, but the blasts are randomly shot out over a large area (ex. 25 ft. radius or something, making it unlikely any square would get hit more than twice)
I could maybe see it unleashing say a xd6, where x is the Total Enhancement bonus of the weapon or armour, if it was destroyed.
Sundering weaponry is already a self-punishing act that pretty much everybody avoids without going a step further and ambushing players with SURPRISE DAMAGE! of greater levels than they'd get for being immersed in lava.
What's worse, DR doesn't work against energy (fire) or magical damage, so it was DM arbitration that a Stoneskin was even any good against a sword releasing its magical energy. Under a typical ruling it would have been a fatal event.
Azaelas Fayth wrote:
But I have it when you accidentally get to much damage and destroy the item.
Sunder: "If the damage you deal would reduce the object to less than 0 hit points, you can choose to destroy it. If you do not choose to destroy it, the object is left with only 1 hit point and the broken condition."
We never noticed that...
@Dawsjax: I don't... I am utterly at a loss for coherent words...
So am I, Azaelas, so am I.
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