My Faction Mission Removed Another Party Member From Play! (Spoilers from HoM2 Where Dark Things Sleep)


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We had an interesting situation come up this weekend where, due to my character following his faction mission, my friend's 6th level character is now permanently removed from play.

As non-spoiler background, we were playing 2-07 Heresy of Man 2: Where Dark Things Sleep. Two of us were Andorans, and we had two other non-Andorans at the table. One of these non-Andorans was a 6th level bard.

Now, on to what happened, behind the spoiler tag:

Spoiler:
When we fought the ghouls, the bard and another character contracted ghoul fever. In-character, the bard told us that they'd turn into a ghoul if he died, and we didn't have any reason (or the skill checks) to doubt him.

The Andoran faction mission was very vague, but contained this crystal-clear direction: "Undeath, too, is a form of slavery, and to let a companion fall to its grasp is an atrocity of the first order. Better to commit a friend to the fire than to face him again as a slavering horror from beyond the grave. Think on this as you face the adversaries that await you and ensure that none you know find themselves doomed to the slavery of undeath."

Later in the scenario, the invisible efreeti killed the bard. Suspecting he might come back as a ghoul due to the ghoul fever, or worried that the necropolis' magic might otherwise animate him, we two Andorans thought it a pretty clear direction that we incinerate our friend's corpse immediately.

Because of what we'd done to the PC's body, raise dead wasn't an option. He didn't have the PA for anything more powerful than raise dead, and even pooling our gold together we didn't have enough to pay for a more powerful spell. So his 6th level bard is permanently dead, but we gained our PA for our faction mission and feel like we did a pretty good job of it.

Dark Archive 4/5

There wasn't anyone in your party who could make a Knowledge Religion check to know that he would have only turned into a Ghoul had he actually died of the fever (and not the Efreeti)?

5/5

There are many other options to keep your party members from returning as undead, including spells like gentle repose. A knowledge check would let you know how much time you have until it would come back as a ghoul, thus giving you time to remove the disease and/or use raise dead.

The GM should have stepped in at this point. There are other ways to nudge players to let them know that incinerating the corpse was not the only solution. (The end creature would have the appropriate knowledge, for example.)

Scarab Sages 3/5

Kyle Baird wrote:

There are many other options to keep your party members from returning as undead, including spells like gentle repose. A knowledge check would let you know how much time you have until it would come back as a ghoul, thus giving you time to remove the disease and/or use raise dead.

The GM should have stepped in at this point. There are other ways to nudge players to let them know that incinerating the corpse was not the only solution. (The end creature would have the appropriate knowledge, for example.)

+1 A GM should have stepped in.

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Todd Morgan wrote:
There wasn't anyone in your party who could make a Knowledge Religion check to know that he would have only turned into a Ghoul had he actually died of the fever (and not the Efreeti)?

No, the only character with any pertinent Knowledge skills was the bard who died. None of the rest of us succeeded at DC 10 Knowledge (Religion) skills or even Heal checks.

The Exchange 5/5

You are hardcore, kudos for getting your PA by any means necessary :)
Just kidding about the PA... I think you did a great job by not meta-gaming the solution. How does your friend feel? I'm sure you wouldn't have done it if he was going to be upset.
Besides, all bards must die! Burning them up is a great solution!!

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The DM was actually pretty good about letting us fish for options ("Anyone have gentle repose on a scroll? No? Scroll of bless to sanctify the body? No?"). I think the DM was ultimately willing to let a raise dead do the job, but he worked it out with my friend after the slot was over (which happened to be the last slot of a great con). So I don't yet know how the PvP immolation actually turned out. :)

Dark Archive 3/5

WelbyBumpus wrote:

We had an interesting situation come up this weekend where, due to my character following his faction mission, my friend's 6th level character is now permanently removed from play.

As non-spoiler background, we were playing 2-07 Heresy of Man 2: Where Dark Things Sleep. Two of us were Andorans, and we had two other non-Andorans at the table. One of these non-Andorans was a 6th level bard.

Now, on to what happened, behind the spoiler tag:

** spoiler omitted **

Because of what we'd done to the PC's body, raise dead wasn't an option. He didn't have the PA for anything more powerful than raise dead, and even pooling our gold together we didn't have enough to pay for a more powerful spell. So his 6th level bard is permanently dead, but we gained our PA for our faction mission and feel like we did a pretty good job of it.

GAWD! I miss Cheliax, err, Chicago!

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