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Ok, this question basically applies to all Potions, Scrolls, and Wands.
While the Core Rulebook (and other sources) list values for these items at minimum possible caster level, I see no restriction on being able to purchase higher caster-level versions of these items in the PFS Organized Play Guide. In other words, purchasing a Potion of Cure Light Wounds (CL5) for 250gp (which would heal 1d8+5), or a Wand of Fireballs (CL10) for increased cost as well. This includes the application of Metamagic feats, the use of which increases the minimum caster leve, but the SPELL LEVEL (which is important for Potions and Wands) does not increase (with the exception of Heighten). The only real limitation I see here is the TPA purchasing level limit.
Would this be a correct interpretation?
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Ok, this question basically applies to all Potions, Scrolls, and Wands.
While the Core Rulebook (and other sources) list values for these items at minimum possible caster level, I see no restriction on being able to purchase higher caster-level versions of these items in the PFS Organized Play Guide. In other words, purchasing a Potion of Cure Light Wounds (CL5) for 250gp (which would heal 1d8+5), or a Wand of Fireballs (CL10) for increased cost as well. This includes the application of Metamagic feats, the use of which increases the minimum caster leve, but the SPELL LEVEL (which is important for Potions and Wands) does not increase (with the exception of Heighten). The only real limitation I see here is the TPA purchasing level limit.
Would this be a correct interpretation?
Wow, it is usually the other way around, This question belongs in the PFS forums.
But to answer your question, Potions, Scrolls, and Wands are bought at the minimum level with Full charges where applicable, unless other wise noted on the chronicle sheet.
Some Chronicle sheet awards allow you to buy them at a Higher caster level.
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Ok, this question basically applies to all Potions, Scrolls, and Wands.
While the Core Rulebook (and other sources) list values for these items at minimum possible caster level, I see no restriction on being able to purchase higher caster-level versions of these items in the PFS Organized Play Guide. In other words, purchasing a Potion of Cure Light Wounds (CL5) for 250gp (which would heal 1d8+5), or a Wand of Fireballs (CL10) for increased cost as well. This includes the application of Metamagic feats, the use of which increases the minimum caster leve, but the SPELL LEVEL (which is important for Potions and Wands) does not increase (with the exception of Heighten). The only real limitation I see here is the TPA purchasing level limit.
Would this be a correct interpretation?
Wow, it is usually the other way around, This question belongs in the PFS forums.
But to answer your question, Potions, Scrolls, and Wands are bought at the minimum level with Full charges where applicable, unless other wise noted on the chronicle sheet.
Some Chronicle sheet awards allow you to buy them at a Higher caster level.
Can you provide a specific reference to that please?
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Dragnmoon is correct. Consider this post your reference to that effect, and this will be clarified and included in future versions of the Guide and/or the FAQ.Why can't I buy a want of magic missile at CL 3 if I have the TPA?
I never understood it either. Though I think it has something to do with the "No Crafting" rule.
Also it gives a nice reward to add to the chronicle sheet you can't get otherwise.
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Dragnmoon is correct. Consider this post your reference to that effect, and this will be clarified and included in future versions of the Guide and/or the FAQ.
Mark,
Just to clarify it in my mind:
You can only buy wands of a spell at 50 charges.
You can only buy a wand of a spell at minimum caster level for that spell?
That would also exclude buying a wand of a spell enhanced by one or more metamagic feats?
And the only exception would be if such a wand were available through a CS.
Gonna be a lot of locals unhappy about that, since the purchase rules in the core book seem to imply the availability of wands & potions made above bare minimums...
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Callarek, your assumptions are correct. As to people being disappointed, sometimes that can't be avoided. I plan to put higher-than-minimum caster level expendables in future scenarios as rewards for completing missions, and possibly adding them as boons to get with prestige.
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Callarek, your assumptions are correct. As to people being disappointed, sometimes that can't be avoided. I plan to put higher-than-minimum caster level expendables in future scenarios as rewards for completing missions, and possibly adding them as boons to get with prestige.
By "unhappy", I meant I am going to have to let the locals know, and some of them have items purchased that are now "illegal" to purchase, so they are going to, probably, have to sell back these items, with charges expended.
Pro-rated, of course, but at otherwise full market price?
Example:
Wand of Magic Missiles, CL3, 10 charges used.
Return it for 80% of the purchase price?
Consider me a sad panda.
I remember how messed up my PC's accounting got after Josh clarified that special material arrows had to be bought in lots of 20...
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Just have them do a "Correction"
Have all the illegal items changed to Legal items and give the Full Rate difference.
Or if they would have never bought them if they knew they where at Min level, refund them Full price and note it on the chronicle sheet.
Yes. Provide the full-market difference between the now-illegal item and its closest legal equivalent. The hope is that, eventually, there will be no need for this sort of correction, as rules will be in place, easy to reference, and stable. Until then, do as Dragnmoon suggests.
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Yes. Provide the full-market difference between the now-illegal item and its closest legal equivalent. The hope is that, eventually, there will be no need for this sort of correction, as rules will be in place, easy to reference, and stable. Until then, do as Dragnmoon suggests.Just have them do a "Correction"
Have all the illegal items changed to Legal items and give the Full Rate difference.
Or if they would have never bought them if they knew they where at Min level, refund them Full price and note it on the chronicle sheet.
So, even if they used a bunch of charges from, for example, a CL3 Wand of Magic Missile, they would get the full price back, if they would never have bought the stock CL1 version? Even if they have used 49 of the 50 charges?
Just want to be sure I understand this.
Thanks!
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So, even if they used a bunch of charges from, for example, a CL3 Wand of Magic Missile, they would get the full price back, if they would never have bought the stock CL1 version? Even if they have used 49 of the 50 charges?Just want to be sure I understand this.
Thanks!
That is interesting.
This is how I would do it.
If they where returning the illegal for a legal, yup just give them back the difference, but the new one has the same charges as the old one did when it was traded. So if the illegal one had only 49 charges left, the legal one has 49 charges.
If they want their money back and not a trade in:
If only a few charges where use, not really a big deal just give them the full value.
If a lot of charges where used, tell them they can't return for money they can only do a trade in for a legal one and they get the difference for a full on but the legal one now has the same amount of charges as the illegal one had when they did the trade in.
Pretty much a lot if ignoring that an illegal action happened and a lot of assumptions that it was always legal just some numbers where off and it is now being retroactively fixed.
This is no way official, just what I would do. Up to you to decide what is a lot of charges and what is not. I personally would say if there was less then 40 charges left he could only trade it in not return it.
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So let me get this straight.. with enough TPA one can buy a holy avenger but not a 2nd CL scroll of cure light wounds (50gp item)?How does this work with the following line:
"For example, a character who has earned 27 TPA with the Cheliax faction can purchase any item worth less than or equal to 11,750 gp that is legal for play."Are you saying that a 2nd CL scroll of cure light wounds is not legal for play?
What items can one purchase based on TPA score?
And if some things are excluded, why (for what purpose)?
Thank you,
James
Couple of reasons.
The Charts in the PRPG books gives the price for the Lowest casting level for Potions/Scrolls/Wands and it is much easier to point directly to the chart then to put caster level into it. The Charts is what is considered "Legal for play"
Another reason was since crafting is not allowed it was thought of buying an item with a higher caster level was equivalent to crafting, since you are going "away from the chart" though it really isn't, and that is IMO a poor reason compared to the first one I gave you.
Also it leaves a great reward to give on the chronicle sheet and something hopefully we will see more of in the future like Mark Said.
There may be other reasons, but those are the ones I remember being brought up the most.
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I am going to take back everything I said, Myself and Mark perhaps fell into a trap we fell into the past, on confusing one rule with another, In fact it was Mark that was corrected.
My Search Fu finally worked after a couple of days looking for this thread, and I wish Mark to re-think what he stated, since he was the one who last time made the mistake.
In the Past You Where allowed to buy Potions,Wands and Scrolls at higher then Min Level. I apologized to James for the confusing that I fell into not just once but Twice!
Mark please look at this past post and either state that you are changing the rules, or you fell into the same trap you fell into last time. ;)
Either way I am cool with it.
Here is the post by Josh stating that I was wrong *Again!*
Here is what He said
One of those posts was referring to purchasing partially charged wands (you can't--clarified in 2.2) and the other post was referring to using the magic items chapter to buy custom magic items such as swords that can only be used by fighters.
Scrolls, wands, and other items that have charges (or are single use) can most certainly be purchased at higher caster levels so long as your TPA allows it and so long as the item in question allows it. I in no way wanted to give any impression that you couldn't do this. (And, to be fair, had I made this decision, it would've been in v2.2.)
Happy shopping!
Granted this was by Josh, but there is no reason I can think it should not Stand.
I apologize for the confusion and I hope it was not fully my fault. ;).
Edit: I really feel bad about this!
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That's why we make the big bucks.
Mark before it gets lost in this thread, please take a look at what I posted above.