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My search-fu has failed yet again!

(1) Character A is climbing up a vertical surface (rough wall, cliff, etc.). No gear or special powers: Just a talented free climb.
(2) Character B is flying and wants to remove Character A from said surface and let Character A drop to his/her/its doom.

Where can I find the rules on that?

Honestly, it seems like a simple drag maneuver from the APG ("I drag Character A into thin air and let go"), but Drag precludes a Tiny creature from dislodging a Medium creature. And there's also the question of, "What if said creature has a Climb speed?" Seems like it should be a LOT harder to dislodge a cat from a carpeted wall than a human...

I'm sorry, but if I was free climbing a wall and a 2' lyrakien azata grabbed the back of my shirt and gave a good heave, I would think she'd have a good chance of dislodging me.

Or this another "rules vs. physics" thought process?

I'm just wondering whether one of the APs provided exactly this situation and provided some rules for it.


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Dear Paizo,
I was excited to see a new Paizo charge of over $100 on my bill. What kinds of goodies would I be getting this month?
The answer: Nothing special, except a $56 "Shipping and Handling" fee for UPS Ground.

What the heck?!?!?!

I downloaded UPS' rate charts, and according to them a 6-pound package should be around $11. I can understand a bit of a markup for "and handling", but $40?

Do you have an employee drive to the UPS store?

I switched my preferences back to "cheapest possible" and now I'll have to endure our hopelessly-spotty USPS delivery again, but I'm wondering where the massive extra charge for shipping and handling is coming from for UPS Ground.

If you don't want us using it, please just say so instead of gouging us for "handling".


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In mythic rules, you can give your legendary item the Shape Change ability.

Suppose your legendary item is a sword. Can you have it shape change into a bow?


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Protection from Evil is one of those spells that causes endless debates, not just between players and GMs, but between multiple GMs, etc.

Why?

Because of this sentence:

PRD wrote:
While under the effects of this spell, the target is immune to any new attempts to possess or exercise mental control over the target.

If you live in a vacuum and ignore all context, it seems cut-and-dry. Protection from Evil is the "ultimate spell", a first-level spell that blocks all mind control.

Let's put in context. That'll clarify everything, right?

"PRD wrote:

1. Second, the subject immediately receives another saving throw (if one was allowed to begin with) against any spells or effects that possess or exercise mental control over the creature (including enchantment [charm] effects and enchantment [compulsion] effects, such as charm person, command, and dominate person.

2. This saving throw is made with a +2 morale bonus, using the same DC as the original effect.
3. If successful, such effects are suppressed for the duration of this spell.
4. The effects resume when the duration of this spell expires.
5. While under the effects of this spell, the target is immune to any new attempts to possess or exercise mental control over the target.

Now, we are truly confused, or at least I am.

Here's the way I parse it:
- Sentences 1-4: If I have Protection from Evil up and an evil being tries to Dominate me, I roll two saving throws. The first one is a "normal" saving throw, and if I succeed, nothing happens, as usual. If I fail the first one but succeed on the second, +2 "Protection from Evil" saving throw, then the spell affects me, but its effects are suppressed for as long as Protection from Evil lasts. Nice! All I have to do is kill that vampire in the next few minutes, or I'm going to be its puppet.

That's a bit convoluted, but seems to be an exact interpretation of that wording.

Unfortunately, we get back to the accursed sentence 5.

I'm still stuck. I'm wandering along, protected by Protection from Evil. A vampire pops out of the woodwork and Dominates me.

QUESTION 1: I make my first save. Do I make a second saving throw? It matters quite a bit, because if a second vampire comes along and tries to Dominate me, having those effects suppressed because of my success on the first vampire would be awfully nice.

QUESTION 2: When the heck does sentence 5 apply? After I've made a second saving throw? After I've failed my first and succeeded on my second?

It's getting downright silly, because we're in Wrath of the Righteous where the cleric can put up a 24-hour Magic Circle against Evil, and the party is trying to find a LE person to Charm them, have them willingly fail their first save, make their Protection from Evil save, and be immune to mind control all day.

I just went through the other 2 threads on the subject, and they end up with the usual: Coherent arguments on both sides, but no agreement.

I'd just like to know:
- If I'm unaffected by anything, and I get hit by Dominate, how many saving throws do I roll?
- Exactly WHEN does that miracle immunity apply, turning you into a super-being for the duration of the spell?


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I'm amazed my search-fu didn't answer this, but here goes:

QUESTION: Does Dimensional Anchor prevent a creature from going incorporeal?

SITUATION: The resident sorceress hit an assassin with a Dimensional Anchor. Said assassin had the ability to go incorporeal. I ruled that Dimensional Anchor did not stop this ability, but promised to check on the messageboards.

The texts in question:

Dimensional Anchor: A green ray springs from your hand. You must make a ranged touch attack to hit the target. Any creature or object struck by the ray is covered with a shimmering emerald field that completely blocks extradimensional travel. Forms of movement barred by a dimensional anchor include astral projection, blink, dimension door, ethereal jaunt, etherealness, gate, maze, plane shift, shadow walk, teleport, and similar spell-like abilities. The spell also prevents the use of a gate or teleportation circle for the duration of the spell.

A dimensional anchor does not interfere with the movement of creatures already in ethereal or astral form when the spell is cast, nor does it block extradimensional perception or attack forms. Also, dimensional anchor does not prevent summoned creatures from disappearing at the end of a summoning spell.

Ghostly Form (Su): This creature can become incorporeal (including all of its gear) for 14 rounds per day as a swift action -- returning to solid form is a free action. The rounds per day need not be consecutive. This ability cannot be activated in areas of bright light, and while in ghostly form the creature cannot enter such an area.

My take is that Dimensional Anchor provides a fairly comprehensive list, and incorporeality is not on that list, so my ruling (so far) stands.

Waiting to see how others see this...


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I am amazed no thread like this exists yet.

So, in 2012, after 4.5 years of living with my mother after my father died (I strongly recommend against such behavior, and stay away from my mother, you!), we finally moved back into our beloved 900-square-foot shanty, bad roof, bad foundation, and all.

I had set aside $10,000 for home improvements when we moved in. There was utterly no question as to what we were going to do with it: We bought a brand-spanking-new Thermador 36" gas oven and range, complete with hood. Perhaps the most telling part of this purchase was that we could afford to have it installed, but couldn't afford to actually fix the wall once they'd put it in, but we were fine with that. So we have a gorgeous, $7000 oven sitting on a bare plywood floor with unfinished drywall behind it. Priorities, people!

Anyway, on to the parenting story.

My 13-year-old wanted a pot pie this morning. The instructions say to put it on a "baking sheet". He chose a plastic cutting board as his "baking sheet".

Of COURSE he put it on the top rack, so my $7000+ oven is now filled with melted, solidified plastic.
He was so distraught over the event I was concerned that he was going to harm himself.

I just pointed out what I'd told him many times before when he made silly mistakes on his math homework.

"We, as humans, learn through our mistakes. If we never make mistakes, we never learn. Yes, you really screwed up our oven. It will take me 2-3 hours of hard labor to get that plastic off. But no one died. You filled the house with fumes, but we managed to air out the house before anyone was seriously hurt by them. So you've learned a valuable lesson, and you've done no permanent harm. Congratulations on being human, learn from it, and if you ever do something like that again you're buying me a new oven!"

Fortunately, it cheered him up immensely.

Unfortunately, I now get to clean solidified plastic out of a $7000 oven.

*SIGH*


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So today my latest package arrived, with the Mummy's Mask pawns, Iron Gods book 3, and "Ships of the Inner Sea".

I honestly had no interest whatsoever in ships. I just check the little checkboxes on subscriptions because I have no life and no other hobbies.

So I perused through "Ships of the Inner Sea" and found the beautiful multi-level diagram of a two-masted sailing ship (the Cetaceal) on page 18 and thought to myself, "Darn! Had I had this I would have used it for all the shipwrecks in the kids' Serpent's Skull game. But I'd need to scan it into Roll20..."

Oh, wait! I'm a subscriber! Download the PDF, Hypersnap the diagram, upload to Roll20, and voila! The kids have their shipwrecks!

I love being a subscriber... random stuff just shows up at my house, and I seem to always find a way to fit it into my next game...


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OK, let's be blunt: We game at least 3 days a week, and frequently 4 or 5. I am the GM for two weekly campaigns, two "when time permits" campaigns, and a "when we can get back to it" campaign. And I'm writing up journals for three of those campaigns.

Whine whine whine.

The point is, when I agreed to run Jade Regent, I made it *VERY* clear that I wouldn't be writing up a campaign journal for it.

Then came the goblins.

As those familiar with my Rise of the Runelords journal are well aware, I like to let my boys (now 10 and 13) play the goblins.

The resulting Battle of Brinestump Swamp is the stuff of legends, and my players begged me to write it up in all its infamy.

Here, without apology, and with likely many errors, is the tale of the Battle of Brinestump Swamp.


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A quick request: For subscribers, please make the default shipping method for orders match the default shipping method for subscriptions.

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The gory details: We're in a U.S. Postal Service "training area", so our mail service is... spotty, to say the least. I switched my subscriptions to UPS and it's been awesome.

Then I ordered some stuff from the Great Golem Sale. In my excitement of frenzied button-clicking, I didn't pay attention to the shipping method, figuring it would match my usual default.

Imagine my surprise to learn that it had defaulted to USPS Priority Mail, and I can look forward to a week or two of waiting in anticipation for my already-shipped order to arrive as my local office tries to figure out what to do with the strange white object in their inventory. ("I know! Hit it with a hammer!")

Yes, I should have checked. But I always like to try to set "sensible" defaults when I get a chance...

EDIT: Full disclosure: 15 minutes after I posted this the package arrived. *SIGH*. Go figure.


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So in a world where powerful magic is commonplace, how does a BBEG deliver a message to the PCs without being scried-n-fried?

I thought it would be fun to have the BBEG wipe all memory of his hideout from one of his minion's minds, then send the minion to deliver a message.

Torture the minion all you want, you'll get nothing!

Well, I'm not finding any spell that would help me out here! All the memory modification spells are either dispellable or affect only a few minutes of memory.

Isn't there some kind of "rewrite someone's mind" spell out there? I could always Feeblemind a minion and then Awaken it, but that seems downright cheesy.

Anyone else come up with a rules-compliant way to have a mentally-invulnerable messenger (short of a construct)?


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OK. I'll admit. This will be a silly thread.

My life oracle overheard a shoanti shaman accusing one of her party members (a shoanti from a different tribe) of being "only 12 years old" because he hadn't accomplished anything.

She took this quite literally, so she knows he's embarrassed, and is trying to protect him without his finding out.

Here's what I have so far:

Life Link: Honestly, I think he's out of luck. It's a supernatural ability, it has Medium range, and it has no save. So she can slap this on him while he's asleep and he's stuck with it until she decides to remove it.

Endure Elements: This one is harder. She already casts it on herself every morning when he's asleep, so what's the DC to notice that someone is casting a spell a second time when you're asleep? I was thinking 10 (whispered conversation) + 10 (asleep), but a DC 20 to notice she's casting the spell twice instead of once seems pretty low for a sleeping barbarian.

Endure Elements: We're traveling through coastal mountains and then a temperate forest. What's the DC (if there is one) for him to notice that the temperature is always "perfect"?

I know it all seems very trivial, but the GM and I are planning on playing this "12-year-old man" to the hilt, so we want to get all the DCs right.


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QUESTION: Has anyone house-ruled that you can use Spellcraft and Detect Magic to identify the spells on a person? How has that worked for you?

DETAILS:
The as-written rules are pretty black-and-white:

Under Spellcraft:
Identify a spell as it is being cast: DC = 15 + spell level
Identify the properties of a magic item using detect magic: DC = 15 + item's caster level

Under Knowledge: Arcana:
Identify a spell effect that is in place: DC = 20 + spell level

So as the spell is being cast you need Spellcraft, if it's on an item it's Spellcraft again, but if it's a regular spell that's been cast on a person you need Knowledge: Arcana.

ISSUE #1:
- Why is identifying the magic on a magic item different from identifying the magic on a person?

ISSUE #2:
- Wizards have a base stat of INT so they have plenty of skill points to max out both skills.
- Ponder the poor arcane bloodline sorceress. She doesn't particularly need INT, but if she doesn't take it her 2 skill points per level will be entirely taken up for those two skills.

So I'm pondering modifying the as-written rules and letting Spellcraft and Detect Magic identify currently-active spells. We just had a fight where she spent 3 full rounds standing there staring at the BBEG to figure out his buffs so she could choose specific ones to Dispel, and it turned out she hadn't bought any Knowledge: Arcana so there were... bad feelings. And now she's (justifiably) displeased that every skill point she gets for the next few levels will have to go into Knowledge: Arcana and I'm inclined to agree with her.

Seems like an odd set of circumstances and I don't see a strong reason not to modify the rules so Spellcraft and Detect Magic work on people as well as things.

Differing opinions?


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OK, I admit it, I'm lazy.

In my home-brew campaign I gave the sorcerer an item that allowed him to prepare a handful of spells a day from spellbooks. Someone helpfully pointed me to an existing Pathfinder item that does just that. (I'd made up the item to throw him a bone after the bard got a nymph's blessing and the paladin inherited a 72,000 gp sword.)

Problem is, I can't find it, and given the choice of searching 1000+ of my posts for clues or being lazy, I'll just post here. (I'll be honest. I've spend around 90 minutes searching, so I did do due diligence.)

QUESTION 1: What items (if any) allow sorcerers to cast prepared spells?

QUESTION 2: Ditto for Oracles.

Thanks!


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The short version: Does an evoker lose his/her "Intense Spells" bonus no matter what when using a scroll?

The long version: Scroll scribers can add metamagic feats to scrolls, and readers can cast those spells with those feats even if they don't know the feat. Awesome.
According to this thread, there's a FAQ somewhere (the link no longer works) that says that no other "feats or abilities that modify spells" apply when you're using a scroll.

So imagine the poor evoker: He scribes a scroll, but his "intense spell" doesn't apply to the written spell. Otherwise, every magic shop selling damage scrolls would be carrying nothing but evoker scrolls. So it makes sense from a game perspective that it doesn't get included in the scribing.
But then when he triggers the scroll, it's not "casting a spell" so his evocation bonus yet again doesn't apply.

It doesn't seem like *that* big a deal, but it does seem like the evoker's getting "cheated" out of a class feature by using a scroll. And I'm sure people will come up with far more significant examples of the "double whammy" where neither scribing nor invoking allow a bonus that's been bought and paid for by the PC.

Anyone else notice this? Anyone else done anything other than accepting it as RAW and telling evokers to find a better school?


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As you'll see in this thread, my copy of Sword of Valor fell apart the moment I opened it.

What should I do in order to get a replacement copy?

And while we're at it, this also happened to our copy of Children of the Void from the Second Darkness AP (Order #2306770). Any chance of getting a replacement copy of that as well, or is it too old?

Thanks!


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And it begins...

And since I'm downright stubborn, I'm starting this in the Wrath of the Righteous section where it belongs, rather than buried in the "Campaign Journals" section where it gets mixed in with all the other AP/homebrew/random campaigns and is lost forever.

Anyone want to take bets on how long it takes before it ends up there? :-P

Anyway, for those not familiar with my ramblings, I first started with an "Overall Curse of the Crimson Throne Review" that spawned my love for the Paizo messageboards.

Encouraged by the denizens within, I followed up with a full-blown campaign journal, "NobodysHome's Rise of the Runelords Campaign". So far, that one's been my Magnum Opus, and it is still quite active (at least as of May 2014).

Next, inspired by Useplanb, I tried to start a set of player journals for Second Darkness in "GothBard's Second Darkness Player Campaign Journals" only to be deafened by the crickets, my own posters included. (No offense, CaroRose. I'm sure you're louder than a cricket.)

So THIS campaign journal will be very similar to my Rise of the Runelords one: A running, rambling description of the life and times of four intrepid adventurers as they bumble their way to greatness.

I'll write full backgrounds over the next few days, but our current cast is:

Jacob "Jake" Thorn, NG Male Half-Elf Fighter.
Kariss Trevelyan, CG Female Half-Elf Sorceress (Arcane Bloodline).
Rishi, her weasel familiar who I'm sure deserves a line of his own.
NoPrey, CN Male Tengu Bard.
Merissa Dovekirk, LG Female Human Cleric of Iomedae (Sun and Good domains).

So I won't hint at who's who quite yet, but with just the names, alignments, sexes, and classes, I'd love to see who thinks who's playing whom. And yes, there's a GM NPC in there.

And look ma! After all that talk of an all-paladin party, no paladins!


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Either my search fu is failing, or this is obvious to everyone except me.

Incorporeal: Creatures with the incorporeal condition do not have a physical body. Incorporeal creatures are immune to all nonmagical attack forms. Incorporeal creatures take half damage (50%) from magic weapons, spells, spell-like effects, and supernatural effects. Incorporeal creatures take full damage from other incorporeal creatures and effects, as well as all force effects.

Overcoming DR: Damage reduction may be overcome by special materials, magic weapons (any weapon with a +1 or higher enhancement bonus, not counting the enhancement from masterwork quality), certain types of weapons (such as slashing or bludgeoning), and weapons imbued with an alignment.

So in the damage reduction entry, it specifically states "At least +1", while in incorporeal it says, "Nonmagical".

So when I cast "Align Weapon" on a nonmagical weapon, it gives it an alignment. But it also has a spell effect on it that could in theory be dispelled. Does this count as "magical" or is there a general agreement that "magical" always means "at least +1" is it does for DR?

The reason I ask:

We have a low-wealth group without access to more than a couple of magical weapons who have to take on a shadow demon, and the combination of DR/good and incorporeality makes it nigh-invulnerable to us unless I come up with something clever to get us more weapons that can affect it.

Having to cast both "Magic Weapon" and "Align Weapon" on every fighter's weapon is going to
(a) Take forever
(b) Burn all my spells.

As usual, the AP provided ONE +1 cold iron longsword for the party, but because there are 8 party members instead of 4 the demon has full hit points and the advanced template, so one guy with a +1 longsword is going to take FOREVER to kill it, while it tears him to shreds since he's the only real threat. (Immune/resistant to most magical damage, SR, no crits, no sneak attack damage. Really quite the bit of nastiness.)

So I'm just curious about general consensus on Align Weapon.


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I know there's a very short thread that already asks about APG classes and spell recovery, but I'd like to know what people are doing about oracles.

Divine spellcasters have to spend an hour each day praying to their gods or goddesses to get their spells back. I'm fine with that interpretation (the oracle has to spend an hour doing something), *EXCEPT*
- They don't worship individual gods.
- They have this nasty curse that no other classes are stuck with. By the time the curse becomes a benefit, all the other spellcasting classes will have Rings of Sustenance and will be thumbing their noses at those rest rules.

So, how are people playing this?
(1) Is everyone saying, "Just spend the hour like a normal person?"
(2) Is anyone saying, "Your curse is your payment. Save your hour?"

Thanks!

(Mostly curiosity on my part; I'm expecting 90-100% answer 1, but I like hearing peoples' opinions and starting bitter arguments.)


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So I'm aware there are many VTT programs out there: Rolld20, Maptools, Fantasy Grounds, and probably many more.

So here's our setup: We never play online; it's always a local game, and we always have the interactive PDFs downloaded from Paizo for the appropriate AP.

So we've got a laptop, and we've got a big-screen TV, and we'd like to display the maps on the wall so the players have a better understanding of where they are and what they're seeing.

REQUIREMENT #1: Display only the portions of the map that the PCs have already explored.
- I tried this using the "free" method (showing the PDF in Adobe Reader and putting a bunch of Notepad windows to hide what they haven't seen) and it's totally untenable. I'd like something where the software either recognizes "rooms" or lets me mask them off in a "sensible" way. I'd like to take under an hour to prep a map for display.

ALMOST A REQUIREMENT #1: An interactive battle mat where I can show where each PC/enemy is and move them with a simple, "Drag the icon to the new square."

NICE FEATURE I'M LOOKING FOR #1: If I enter difficult/impassible terrain on the map and each creature's movement speed and movement type, the software shows me where each creature can move during its turn.

NICE FEATURE I'M LOOKING FOR #2: If I enter a creature's senses and the lighting for the map, the software shows me what each creature can see.

I've heard that Rolld20 will do all this for me, but I've also heard people singing the praises of Fantasy Grounds, so before spending hours researching on my own, I figured I'd tap the wonderful Paizo community-at-large to get opinions.

Thanks!


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1. Age of oldest child:

2. Style of play: When you defeat an enemy, do you:
(a) Kill him/her/it on the spot?
(b) Keep him/her/it alive for "questioning", then kill him/her/it?
(c) Question him/her/it, and based on his/her/it's answers, either let him/her/it go, turn him/her/it over to the proper authorities, try to redeem him/her/it, or give him/her/it a clean execution?

Background for these questions
I was complaining about the bloodthirstiness of my group in another thread and had the sudden realization that my group fell into three distinct categories:

- Those with children under 4 were utterly ruthless: All captives must die, period. (4 of 4). Type (a), or with great reluctance (b).

- Those with children over 8 were merciful: All captives should be questioned and their fates based on their answers. Letting low-level thugs go on their own recognizance is O.K. (3 of 3). Type (c) through and through.

- The rest of the group (an adult with no kids and two kids, 9 and 12) were all over the map. The 9-year-old was ultra-merciful, the adult was semi-merciful, and the 12-year-old wanted to be merciless, but wasn't nearly as adamant as the parents of small kids.

So it raises an interesting social/gaming question: Do parents of young kids have a natural 'protective instinct' that extends into their gaming lives such that they have no tolerance for enemies?

Since our sample is so smalll, and the Paizo boards have such a thriving and interesting community, I thought I'd throw it out there to get a larger result and see whether there are any patterns at all.

EDIT: Age isn't much of a factor: The youngest of us is around 38, most of us are early-to-mid 40's, and the 'old timer' is early 50's.


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OK, my Google fu and Messageboard fu have both failed, but this one seems so obvious I can't help feeling I just missed a thread somewhere.

Does the extra damage from a "slaying arrow" get multiplied on a crit?

Seems like since it's a damage bonus rather than a dice bonus it should, but "Roll a DC23 Fort save or take 300 points of damage" is a pretty nasty bit of work.

How have people ruled on this?


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So, Consecrate lasts 2 hours/level. But its secondary effect is to cut off an altar's tie with its god. Is that effect permanent, or does it only last for the duration of the spell?


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So, aasimar get a wonderful "angelic blood" feat that's a precursor to many of their better feats, but it's not the world's best feat -- +2 to saves vs. Evil effects, and 1 point of damage to undead or evil creatures if you take bleed or blood drain. Certainly not a bad feat -- I've seen far, far worse, but I don't think many people would take it for anything other than flavor except as a precursor.

So, has anyone house ruled what would happen if a vampire or other undead blood-sucker actually drank such blood?

By RAW, it's 1 point of damage. Big whoop. The vampire gains 5 hp at the cost of one. Angelic blood won't even taste all that bad. "Bluh. It's like blood, but spicy! I like! Bluh!"

I'm thinking it should be at least unpleasant for the vampire -- maybe add, "if the blood is ingested by an undead creature, the creature takes 1 point of bleed-like damage per round until it receives an appropriate cause wounds spell." Even then, the vampire's fast healing makes that virtually harmless. But at least it's worth roleplaying out, rather than a simple, "The vampire took 1 point of damage. It doesn't look like he cares."

Anyone else come up with any ideas on this, or does everyone just play RAW?


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So we know that Dispel Magic targets, "one spellcaster, creature, or object", and Greater Dispel Magic can be used for a 20-ft.-radius burst.

So what about situations where the PCs know that a caster is responsible for something huge (for example, Control Weather) across a miles-radius spread, but have no idea where the caster is? Since they're in the middle of the storm, can they try to dispel it, calling the storm itself the "object"? Or because they have to have a specific target (more specific than a miles-across storm), is dispel doomed to fail?

My initial take is, "Sorry, you can't dispel that until you find the person who cast it," but I'd love to see what other GMs have to say.


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OK, my fellow GM is a twisted, devious fellow, and came up with this argument. I'd like to see what the RAW folk say about it.

FACT 1: Illusions have no alignment. If I use Detect Evil on a Silent Image, it's not going to detect as evil.

FACT 2: A paladin's Detect Evil is targeted at a single creature or object. From the PRD: A paladin can, as a move action, concentrate on a single item or individual within 60 feet and determine if it is evil, learning the strength of its aura as if having studied it for 3 rounds. While focusing on one individual or object, the paladin does not detect evil in any other object or individual within range.

So here's my friend's argument: An illusory disguise spell such as Veil completely envelops the disguised entity. Therefore, a paladin concentrating on that individual would be focusing on the illusion, not the person, and would therefore not detect evil, even if the person was indeed evil.

It came up in the game he's running because our paladin tried to Detect Evil on a Veiled Glabrezu demon.

Opinions? Rulings? Arguments?

EDIT: It became moot because the demon hid behind a wall, blocking the spell, and the paladin didn't try again, but Glabrezu demons show up a remarkable amount in our campaigns (what can we say? The APs love treachery) so I'm interested in hearing people's opinions.


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Here's a simple one: Your enemy is 15 feet away and casts Obscuring Mist, then moves a couple of squares so you're not 100% sure which square he's in, but engages one of your allies in melee combat.

QUESTION 1: Can you use the sound of the combat to move up and attack said enemy? The rules simply say you can't use sight-based perception to find him.

QUESTION 2: What kind of move penalty would you impose? Even blinded characters can move at half speed. Do you move any faster because you can see 5 feet?

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THE LONG VERSION:
We were attacked by a group of nightmares, who proceeded to fill our entire area with smoke, limiting vision to 5' and granting 20% concealment in adjacent squares, just like Obscuring Mist. My fighter was 3 squares away from the nearest nightmare, and when I moved him to attack, the GM asked, "How can you get there? You don't know he's there!"
I responded, "Of course I do; he's in the process of chewing on my sorcerer! I can use my hearing to head in that direction, find him, and hit him!"

So we're pretty sure I was within my rights to move 3 squares towards the sound of combat, bringing myself within 5 feet of the nightmare, and then attack, but I thought I'd double-check on the forums. Especially since my searches didn't bring this up in a previous thread. Bizarre!


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Next question: If you baleful polymorph the BBEG into a bunny (so all his items are now part of his bunny form), kill the bunny, and then Dispel Magic on the baleful polymorph on the dead bunny to turn it back into the dead guy, do you get the items back?

We're just having a bit of argument about whether we can loot a dead baleful polymorphed critter.


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In our game last night, the party paladin ran amok by casting Magic Circle of Protection from Evil on herself, having the squishies (bard, sorcerer) gather next to her, and moving through the dungeon, letting the barbarian take care of anything that needed hand-to-hand TLC. (Side note: Lots of summoned demons and devils in the dungeon that they knew were going to be there, so it was definitely a matter of good prep work.)

To my astonishment, nothing in my board search answered the simple question: Was this legal? Once you've cast a magic circle on a willing target, can he/she then move around freely with the circle?

Thanks!


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My thread was recently moved from the "Rise of the Runelords" section to the "Campaign Journals" section. I wouldn't mind (after all, it IS a campaign journal) except for the fact that all campaign journals for all campaigns (both AP and custom) are bunched together into one vast pool of chaos.

It would be nice to have subfolders (or whatever you want to call them) so that all of the RotRL campaigns are in one place, all of the Second Darkness campaigns are in a different place, etc.

I suspect that is why many GMs post to the AP-specific threads instead of the Campaign Journal thread.


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Well, it's been quite a while since I promised that GothBard (Raesh's player) would start a campaign journal similar to Useplanb's, so I'm just taking the initiative and posting. This large group includes me, Shiro and Hi's players, Raesh's player as a GM, our wonderful goblin kids, and a few other players.

The characters include Raesh's adopted sister and Halek's long-lost brother.

Without further ado, I'll start letting the players post their journals.

And an honorary Silver Tsuto Award to the first person who correctly guesses me, Hi, and Shiro. Though if you just look at our aliases, then you get an honorless honorary award! :P


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OK, I know I'm going to open a can of worms here, because it's a 'flavor' vs. 'RAW' question, but the Rules forum tends to give you the best answers on rules interpretations, in spite of the fact that we all then get yelled at because it's not RAW.

Situation: You're dropped buck nekkid on an island, and a wheezy kobold with a rusty sword attacks you.

Can you go total defense for the +4 AC? Both RAW and 'common sense' say, "Yes," because you'd just dance out of his reach.

Now, are there situations where you, as a GM, wouldn't allow total defense for someone with no way to parry? I'm thinking that there are now two kobolds flanking you, or that you've been backed into a corner so you can't jump back out of the way any more. RAW still gives you the +4 through the miracle of omission (nothing says you don't). 'Common sense' now gets much vaguer on the subject. How, exactly, are you dodging when there's nowhere to go? If you had a shield or a dagger or something, the +4 makes sense because you're blocking the blows instead of avoiding them. But what if you've got nothing?

Just a thought experiment. Hope I don't annoy too many people by asking.


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Here's a little mind-bender from one of my players:
- Detect Evil doesn't work on aligned creatures of 4 HD or less, so they can escape Detect Evil without the use of spells. Very important in low-level campaigns.
- Protection from Evil has no HD limitation, and provides a +2 deflection bonus vs. evil creatures.

So my player claims Protection from Evil is an "improved" Detect Evil because you can just cast it, try to shake hands with all the people you're trying to scan, and find out which ones meet with resistance.

I agree with him that Protection from Evil seems to work on all evil creatures, even an evil human commoner, and I'll accept that a PC would feel some kind of effect between himself and the farmer when he tried to shake his hand. But since it's touch only, and one creature at a time only, I don't think it's game-breaking.

Anyone care to make a ruling on this (mis)use of Protection from Evil?


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My RotRL thread has been growing by great leaps and bounds (much to my happiness), but I am terrified that through some server error it might be lost forever.

Is there some way for us to download and save off entire threads to our local hard drives to preserve for posterity?

Thanks!


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Here's a fun one I was just debating with another GM:

Poor BBEG wizard is flanked by a fighter and a paladin (both with Silence cast on them) on the edge of a 1000' cliff.

Can the wizard take a 5' step off the cliff (no AoO), fall for the entire round (roughly 550', well out of the Silence fields), and then nuke them with a long-range spell, without taking any AoO's?

I figure a high-level wizard would be more than happy to fall for a few hundred feet to avoid getting cuisinarted, and this seems like an easy cheesy way to avoid AoO's (if you happen to have a cliff handy).

And since I'd like this to be a happy, active thread: What if he just drops 30' out of the Silence field and hits the ground? Does that still count as part of his move action (less than half the round, after all), so he can nuke without taking a concentration check?


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Seems like my searches should have found this, so maybe I just chose poor search terms, but here goes:

(1) Evil necromancer casts Circle of Death, and rolls that it "affects 28 hit dice".

(2) PC 1 and PC 2 (8 HD each) fail their saves and die

(3) PC 3 (8 HD) makes his save.

Does a PC making his save count as being 'affected' by the spell, or does the spell move on to the next hapless PC because, by making his save, PC 3 wasn't 'affected'? (There's no effect if you make your save on this spell.)

And in any case, since there are only 4 HD left in the spell, it's not going to affect any other 8 HD PCs, right?


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Next session I plan on giving the party sorcerer "Spectacles of Memorization".

These spectacles allow the sorcerer to read spellbooks like a wizard, and use a spellbook to add 3 spells per day to his/her list of available spells.
- This does not work for scrolls; it must be a wizard's spellbook.
- This does not permanently grant the sorcerer use of the spells. The sorcerer must choose 3 spells from the spellbook(s) each day. The previous day's spells are lost.
- This does not grant the sorcerer additional casts per day. This simply enhances the pool of spells from which the sorcerer chooses spells.

Comments? Does something like this already exist?

Basically, at certain points of the AP the arcane spellcaster really should have certain spells to allow the AP to proceed smoothly. Rather than forcing the sorcerer to take those spells as part of his progression, I want to give him a small amount of flexibility by allowing him to use an occasional spell from a spellbook.


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I realize that there are a multitude of grapple threads here already, but I think that's my issue; too many answers that are not quite what I'm looking for.

The situation:
- Ogre A (CMB +9, CMD 18) grapples gnome sorcerer B (CMB +3, CMD 12)
- Without help, gnome sorcerer B is fairly hosed
- Barbarian C (CMB +17, CMD 29) decides to get involved.

It looks like Barbarian C can just wade in and kick the living daylights out of the ogre over 2 rounds (grapple, then pin).

Is there a 1-round solution whereby the barbarian could use his monstrous CMB to remove the gnome (intact) from the ogre's clutches? (And yes, "Rage and beat him to death (the ogre, not the gnome)" is a bit too obvious for what I'm thinking of).

I'm thinking of something really cool like a bull rush to knock the gnome free, but it looks like RAW only supports the 2-round solution, in which case it's just much easier (but much less cool) to pound the ogre into ogreburger.


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So I wanted a dashing, acrobatic-yet-strength-based fighter who could dish out massive damage, and built:

STR 18
DEX 14
CON 12
INT 10
WIS 8
CHA 14

Yes, they're far from perfect; I'm a non-optimizer at heart.

Following the suggestion of the Carrion Crown AP, I made him a Weapons Master of the greatsword.

Cue the horror:
- For my hit points I rolled a 5, 5, 2, and 1. My 5th level fighter has the fewest hit points in the group, including the sorcerer, the druid, and the bard.
- The Carrion Crown AP does not believe in money, apparently. At 5th level I'd gained all of 2300 g.p. total. The group is an absolutist, "You get your share and nothing more," kind of group, so my total equipment is a regular greatsword (not even masterwork), masterwork chainmail, and masterwork composite bow with +4 STR.

So I have a 5th level fighter with an AC of 18 and 33 hit points. He's going to die unless he can raise his AC fast and furious, but the AP doesn't provide enough gold to do it. He's too stupid to take Combat Expertise, and Shield of Swings will give him better AC, but at the cost of half his damage.

Any suggestions as to a path I could follow to keep him alive and get him some AC with the stats as written?

Sometimes, you just have to live (or die) with your mistakes...


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Scenario: I am a 9th-level fighter, and I want to craft myself a +1 ghost touch greatsword.

Problem: I cannot cast Plane Shift.

Solution: I hire a 9th level cleric who has the Cooperative Crafting feat and one point of Craft: Weapon to help me.

So between the two of us, it takes 4 days to add the enchantment to the sword.

How much do I owe him at the end of it? I've seen a couple of threads that say I just have to pay for the spell, but that seems ridiculously cheap; there's a difference between having him walk up for 5 minutes and cast a spell, and having him dedicate 8 hours a day for 4 days to help me craft an item.

Are there any official rules on this, or am I so obsessive-compulsive about crafting my own gear that the general answer is just, "At that level, why don't you just buy the danged sword?!?!"

(To which I'd reply, "Welcome to the Carrion Crown AP, where the treasure seems to be buried in unmarked graves far, far away from the action...)

EDIT: And just to be honest, I'm only 5th level right now, so maybe the AP picks up on the loot later as it has in all the APs I've GM'ed, but boy, from the other end it really does get frustrating when you're 5th level and you're ecstatic to get masterwork chainmail because it's better than anything else you can afford...


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I searched the messageboards for a simple answer to, "Can drow nobility see through their own Deeper Darkness?", and the general consensus was that no, they couldn't, and Deeper Darkness was therefore a tactical control spell.

All well and good, *if* drow nobility got to keep Darkness as a spell-like ability.

Unfortunately, when drow graduate to Deeper Darkness, they lose Darkness, so they no longer have the ability to create darkness they can see through. That doesn't seem like a great 'upgrade'.

Is this an accidental or intentional loophole? How do other GMs handle it? I can always house-rule that drow keep Darkness but it comes out of the same uses-per-day as Deeper Darkness, but I'd like to see other's thoughts on the topic.


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In many of the APs, the PCs come across temples to Rovagug, Lamashtu, Urgathoa, and so forth. Those temples usually have really cool features, like fountains of blood that carry horrifying diseases, or pools of Waters of Lamashtu that can turn people into monsters.

Well, my PCs aren't content to simply kill all the worshippers in these temples; they want to smashy-smashy anything and everything to desecrate the temple.

Unfortunately, none of the rules write-ups that I've seen cover this: If you smash the altar with the Waters of Lamashtu, does it just smash and your god smiles on you, or does Lamashtu drop a can of cursy badness on your head?

I'd love to see a generic write-up of, "This is how you desecrate a temple, and these are the saving throws you have to make to not end up the Big Bad Curse Buddy of the god you just ticked off."

I just ran RotRL for the group last night, and they just poured holy water on an altar and smashed it to pieces. Seemed awfully easy, but nothing in the writeup said anything about the temple having any protections. I like godly vengeance myself; you can't go around defiling temples until you're a high enough level to ignore the consequences.

Just curious to see what other people think.


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NOTE TO THE EDITORS: I realize the first 10-15 posts read far more like "fan fiction" and belong in a different thread, but I really will be taking characters through the campaign, honest! But do feel free to move the thread to a location you feel is more appropriate; just make sure I can find it! ;-)

NOTE TO OTHER GMS: I would really, really LOVE suggestions as you get ideas, but PLEASE put them behind spoiler tags. My party members will be reading this thread as they go through the campaign.

The characters:

Shiroi-Jikkou-Sha (Shiro): Male Kitsune Bard

Rae'Sheleth (Raesh): Female Drow Paladin of Sarenrae (!!)

Hi Ichiban (Hi): Male Gnome Sorcerer

Halek-Kai (Halek): Male Human Barbarian (Shoanti, Lyrune-Quah, GM NPC)

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Background:

When I first switched to Pathfinder, I came to these message boards and asked, "Which Adventure Path should I start with?", and the answers varied wildly. I started with Curse of the Crimson Throne (LOVED IT) and started posting my own Overall CoCT Review. Much to my delight, other GMs started providing feedback on my campaign, and I made many new online "friends", like Tels, Mikaze, Walter McWilliams, CaroRose, and Midnight_Angel, all of whom gave me fantastic advice and/or feedback to improve my campaign. It was such a positive experience that I wanted to do it again, but my Kingmaker campaign has 9 (!!) players in it, and is just too unwieldly to be any measure of an AP.

So I hand-picked my 3 best 'roleplayers' and set out on my 'Super-Secret Pathfinder Campaign' where roleplaying is key -- these are players who would rather take a STR of 8 and roleplay the idle life that made them such weaklings than take a STR of 18 to do more DPR. Since I didn't expect to have the AP (even in PDF form) until July 18, I asked each PC for a name and a brief background for their character, and I wrote a set of e-mails setting the scene for them.

After the players repeatedly used the term "epic" to describe my e-mails, I thought it would be nice to stoke my ego and start my own thead here, posting first my series of e-mails, and then my players' exploits as they worked their way through RotRL.

So here, without further ado, and with no apologies, is our RotRL campaign...


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OK, this is very silly, but here it is: Is there a way to get the background and font for the AP handouts? You know, that yellowish parchment background with the handwriting font?

My players in Kingmaker have started pranking each other, and I want their notes to each other to be indistinguishable from the wanted posters in the front and the back of the AP.

So I've got everything I need: Adobe Acrobat, Adobe Photoshop, Microsoft Office, the color printer, and the photo stock.

All I'm lacking is the base "parchment" background and the font.

Any help at all would be appreciated! Otherwise it's going to be some creative scanning-and-cutting-and-pasting for me.

Thanks!


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I'm running two APs right now ("Crown of Fangs" in CoCT and the whole Council of Thieves AP) where a Temple of Asmodeus figures prominently.

Unfortunately, my PCs are troublemakers, and in both campaigns are likely to try to infiltrate the temples. So I have to either:
(a) Generate my own temple based on random ideas on how big such a temple would be in a city of ~20k people, or
(b) See whether anyone has some kind of guidelines that would help me.

For example,
(1) What level would the high priest be? Somewhere around 16th?
(2) How many high-level (12th) acolytes would there be? 5? 10? 20?
(3) How many run-of-the-mill (6th) clerics would be milling around?
(4) How many "building upkeep and maintenance" workers and worshipers would be around? (3rd and below)
(5) How many (and what types of) devils would be around?

My guesstimate is that the Korvosan temple is smaller, so I'm thinking a 14th-level high priest, 5 10th-level clerics, 10 6th-level clerics, and around 30 other people milling around at any one time. That still seems like an awful lot of people in a temple at once, but my medieval history isn't good enough to tell me whether that's 'reasonable' for a middle ages monastery or church.

The Westcrown temple would be a lot bigger, so it would get the 16th-level cleric, 10 12th-level clerics, 20 6th-level, and maybe 50 run-of-the-mill meanderers.

Feedback is more than welcome, because I really have no idea. It looks like D&D 3.5 had guidelines for how many clergy would be in a temple of a given city size, but I haven't found the equivalent information in PF, and I don't have any old 3.5 books.


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As many on the multitude of paladin alignment threads know, I'm a straightforward GM -- "This is OK with your god. This isn't." I don't play games with my paladins. They play within my rules, and we're both happy. I can even justify my stance to most people (in my mind, at least).

Unfortunately, we FINALLY found a situation where I'd like others' input:

The party has learned that the local temple of Asmodeus is gathering a vial of blood from every citizen for unknown reasons. This is not subterfuge; the city government has authorized the temple to do this, and it's public knowledge that they're doing it.

The rest of the party is outraged, and plans on infiltrating the temple, finding out what's being done with the blood, and, if necessary, killing everyone involved with extreme prejudice.

So... you're a LG paladin of Iomedae. You kill evil outsiders on sight, and Asmodeus is the god of devils, so you're not exactly pals. BUT... the city government has authorized this action, it's a legally-recognized temple, and you have no evidence as of yet that they're doing anything wrong.

My take: There is no legitimate reason to take others' blood. You're either performing a ritual to enslave them, performing a ritual to summon something REALLY nasty, or just a rat b*****d messing with the public because you can. So the paladin is duty-bound to investigate, and since subterfuge is the more effective tack, it's OK, as long as you're not killing the clerics on sight. (I look forward to seeing them try to deal with all the captives they're going to take -- they're all 14th level, so the temple just doesn't have the guards to stop them).

I'd particularly like to hear counter-arguments beyond "Lawful means never breaking the law", since even the core rulebook says that paladins must "respect legitimate authority", and somehow, to me, "I is in your city, draining your blood for no raisin" does not echo as "legitimate".

Thanks! And let's try to keep this one under 200 posts, just because I've got deadlines at work to deal with...


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Have you considered granting users who buy hard copies of the book access to the PDFs as well?

I love the visceral feel of a book in my hands, so I'm an AP subscriber for the physical books.

However, I'm just starting Kingmaker, and I find that I want to print out the wanted posters and other handouts. Even though you've given me permission to do so, it means I have to scan the book, making sure I've got everything aligned correctly, then print it out on my color printer.

It would be far more convenient for me to have the PDF of the book so I can print just the pages I need. And as a subscriber, you have a history of which physical books I've purchased from you, so you'd know which PDFs to give me access to.

Just a thought -- it would make my life more convenient, and save me from the dangers of my backpack getting caught in the rain and destroying my collection and whatnot. I wouldn't even mind a nominal fee (an extra $1 per book or so) to pay for the network bandwidth and such.

Thanks!

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