Behind The Times: Magus & Summoner


Pathfinder Second Edition General Discussion

Vigilant Seal

Hi all, sorry if this is a dumb question but ... I remember Magus & Summoner "losing" spells at some point -- 5th level, IIRC? -- but looking at AoN last night, I didn't see that feature for either class. Am I reading that wrong, or did that change, & if so when.
Also: how does one become a Hellknight? Or is that explained in the new Cheliax book? MTIA!


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Impossible Magic updated Magus and Summoner and they no longer lose lower ranks of spell slots as they level, instead capping out at 2 per rank. They still don't get 10th rank spell slots. There's some other adjustments to the classes as well but that's the biggest one.

Vigilant Seal

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Well. I've been trying to think of a new character, & suddenly both look more interesting than before. Thank you!


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FlayeSFS wrote:
Also: how does one become a Hellknight? Or is that explained in the new Cheliax book? MTIA!

There is some Hellknight lore in the Cheliax book, but you can find most of it, as well as the revamped Hellknight archetype that has absorbed the legacy Armiger, Hellknight, and Signifer archetypes, in Hellfire Dispatches.

I'm personally really pleased with how they redid the archetype. It's much cleaner and more neatly organized now, and many of the old pain points surrounding acquiring proficiency with heavy armor have been reduced or smoothed out.

Cognates

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Oh it's so much less jank and confusing. Splitting it across three archtypes made narrative sense but it also made building a hellknight far more clumsy than it needed to be.


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BotBrain wrote:
Oh it's so much less jank and confusing. Splitting it across three archtypes made narrative sense but it also made building a hellknight far more clumsy than it needed to be.

And then slap on top of that the difficulty of becoming proficient with heavy armor in anything like a reasonable timeframe and you'd basically never consider looking at Hellknight unless you were a human and probably a martial, which sucked because I think Signifers are the coolest.


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It looks like an improvement over the usual spambot that sometimes posts in these forums.

Instead of posting some random post, the spammer used an LLM to read and answer the thread while adding some spam.

Anyway, in these cases, don't answer; just flag it to moderators to delete the post.

Cognates

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At least it's a very good example of why you can't use LLMs to answer rules questions, because the LLM is clearly pulling from the older books since that's what it's got more data for.


BotBrain wrote:
At least it's a very good example of why you can't use LLMs to answer rules questions, because the LLM is clearly pulling from the older books since that's what it's got more data for.

You can, but you can't be lazy about your prompt engineering. LLMs are not magic, they can't read human minds, and they have exactly the same garbage in -> garbage out response to lazy human instruction writing that older programs have. He probably just cut and pasted the OP into it and hit go.


YuriP wrote:

It looks like an improvement over the usual spambot that sometimes posts in these forums.

Instead of posting some random post, the spammer used an LLM to read and answer the thread while adding some spam.

Anyway, in these cases, don't answer; just flag it to moderators to delete the post.

tbf, I responded rather than reported because I wasn't 100% sure, and I didn't check the thread soon enough after to see how or if they'd respond and judge from there

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