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Have you tried out the new class coming to Starfinder Second Edition? There's JUST ONE WEEK LEFT to try out the luminary, commanding your battles AND the stage! Test out the new class and see how the devs have already taken some of your feedback in today's blog!
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"see how the devs have already taken some of your feedback"
This appears to be missing.
Shortest blog I’ve ever seen. Then again, I’ve never seen less movement/conversation/feedback in Playtest threads for any class ever.
And what’s even stranger is that the class seems *almost* universally appreciated.
The class is very very "starfinder" and overall seems good if maybe a bit conservative on power and possibly look at the action costs of role/spotlight.
I do kinda hope there are more feats that lean into the hardlight aspect but overall I really like the playtest version and I am certain the release version is going to be even better.
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Shortest blog I’ve ever seen. Then again, I’ve never seen less movement/conversation/feedback in Playtest threads for any class ever.
And what’s even stranger is that the class seems *almost* universally appreciated.
I think most appreciate it flavor-wise. Mechanics or power-wise not so much.
I think most appreciate it flavor-wise. Mechanics or power-wise not so much.Shortest blog I’ve ever seen. Then again, I’ve never seen less movement/conversation/feedback in Playtest threads for any class ever.
And what’s even stranger is that the class seems *almost* universally appreciated.
Even after reading the playtest thoroughly and playing at a table with a Luminary, I'm not sure what, if anything, the Luminary actually does that wouldn't be outshone by an In the Spotlight envoy or Rhythm mystic.
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Shortest blog I’ve ever seen. Then again, I’ve never seen less movement/conversation/feedback in Playtest threads for any class ever.
And what’s even stranger is that the class seems *almost* universally appreciated.
The class has a lot of strong flavor and interaction baked into the mechnics... that might not be everyone's cup of tea even before noticing some of the pain points... people that don't vibe with it might just not engage with the playtest.
I have seen people really like the class particularly online, but they tend to be the more expressive extrovert kind and likely will be happy with it.
For those that are more interested in some more baseline scify concepts the other classes might be a tiny bit easier to grasp.
So ... yeah it's a matter of personal taste I suspect, that said, I agree the playtest forum is pretty dead.
people that don't vibe with it might just not engage with the playtest
I know I haven't commented as much because I don't feel like "The fundamental concept is something I would never use outside of a joke campaign" is particularly useful playtest information for the devs. In 95% of the games I run if a player said they wanted to play it, I'd either have to tell them no or ask everyone at the table if they want to change to the tone of the game into a joke campaign for this one.
But idk how they'd act on that without reworking the concept entirely, which simply isn't reasonable.
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Man I was really curious what the "see how the devs have taken feedback" bit was going to look like. The class is in an alarmingly rough spot and I'm really curious if they're going to simplify it or let it remain complicated but improve the payouts or... just call it good.
I feel like right now the class has some interesting mechanical processes but it's... so bad.
In 95% of the games I run if a player said they wanted to play it, I'd either have to tell them no or ask everyone at the table if they want to change to the tone of the game into a joke campaign for this one.
lmao that'd be so mean to just do to someone. I get some people don't like bard style characters but just announcing someone's character idea is only suitable as a joke as like, a thing you bring up for table discussion is kind of ruthless damn.
lmao that'd be so mean to just do to someone. I get some people don't like bard style characters but just announcing someone's character idea is only suitable as a joke as like, a thing you bring up for table discussion is kind of ruthless damn.
I think you're adding insult to something that isn't an insult. My group does do less serious campaigns sometimes, not normally something we go to PF/SF for, but is something we often enjoy. Me asking my group if we want to shift from my original idea to more match the tone the player is looking forward to is just good communication.
Stuff like pop-stars going into military conflicts & black-ops missions, or rebels fighting against the Aeon Throne by summoning up giant holographic game show wheels just doesn't fit the tone of the majority of my Starfinder campaign pitches. It is best to ensure everyone is on the same vibe and tone.
So either we'd have to adjust the character, or adjust the campaign. It probably would fit perfectly fine (or better than the average class) thematically in a Hall of Living game for example.
I genuinely don't see why a Luminary is any different from a Bard
I DO view Bards as innately silly, though abit less so than luminary. Performance based magic is abit silly when each round is only 6 seconds, so you are barely actually doing any performing by the time most battles finish. It does help at least that the bards tend to not be martials that are heading directly but just performer-tied occult casters. There is stuff for the bard to do that isn't just being a performer all the time. That is not true of this class, as their only magical power is the stuff tied to the things that make it silly in my eyes.
Sure, the flavor encourages you to play a performing artist that's a bit dramatic and over the top. But that's the stereotype about performing arts that people have, and the class is just tapping into pre-existing stereotypes.
It would be like telling a Rogue to change their class because you don't want to change the tone into an Edgelord Melodrama. Like, sure, Rogues are GREAT at edgy melodrama. And the kind of person playing a rogue might want to be a little melodrama and edgy sometimes. But 99.99% of the time, a Rogue is just a regular member of the party. They're not going to warp everything around them just by existing!
Nope. Because being an edgey melodrama character isn't the pitch of the class. Being a magic performer/entertainer who has spotlight powers Is the pitch of the class. This is regardless of the personality of the character themselves, they could be completely serious individuals emotionally and what not.
I will reiterate though that I do not think my views on this are useful playtest information. Changing the class to align with my views would be completely unreasonable.
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I could easily do this class as a grim, nihilistic philosopher who views the roles as the doomed/fleeting aspects of your life and the spotlight a focus of destiny. Not goofy or silly at all.
I could easily do this class as a grim, nihilistic philosopher who views the roles as the doomed/fleeting aspects of your life and the spotlight a focus of destiny. Not goofy or silly at all.
If you remove all of the flavour and replace it with different flavour you have different flavour, but that doesn't change what the flavour of the class is by default.
If you kept any of original flavour, but just had what you say as the personality, then is still silly to me.
Patting myself on the back for getting it done a whole *checks calendar* three days early this time. Normally I submit my survey at the very last minute!
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Have you tried out the new class coming to Starfinder Second Edition? There's JUST ONE WEEK LEFT to try out the luminary, commanding your battles AND the stage! Test out the new class and see how the devs have already taken some of your feedback in today's blog!
I created Jon Silverhand (complete with the requisite prosthetic) as tribute to the iconic Rocker Boy. (Those of you under 50 may have to Google the reference. :)
It was a bit rough at first, but I like this alternative to the bard.
Been playing Myth Speaker as one and I feel the class can be flavored to either path or star it's... really rough as a class