Ruffian with Long spear and Staff acrobat.


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Hi there, just a question whether this would work out.

I am planning on playing a rouge ruffian with a long spear for that nice sneak attack on reach.

At the same time I am wondering whether I could also trip people on range.

So I came to the dsescription of staff acrobat which says:
1.) staff, bo staff, halfling sling staff, or any weapon in the spear or polearm group (referred to in this archetype as “your staff”) -> long spear would be considered a staff for the staff acrobat
2.) You can Shove and Trip even if you don’t have a free hand, provided you are wielding your staff.

Does this mean, I can trip and shove with a long spear?

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Tanreh wrote:
At the same time I am wondering whether I could also trip people on range.

Range, no. You would need Ranged Trip on the weapon for that.

Reach Trip with the spear would work because of the feat that you mention.


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To clarify, Finoan is pointing out that range and reach aren't the same thing and the OP's post did conflate them at one point.


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Yes. And I am not certain if there are any spears that both qualify for the Staff Acrobat archetype requirements and have the Thrown trait or not.

I don't think the Longspear itself has the Thrown trait. But I also am a bit busy and haven't checked if other spears that have Thrown trait could also qualify for Staff Acrobat.

But the Staff Acrobat ability only lets you use the normal melee Trip action. Not Ranged Trip.


Thanks for the clarification and answers and yes, I mixed up reach and range...I was thinking of reach Trip aka melee Trip


Just be aware that Staff Acrobat doesn't grant the trip weapon trait to your weapon so you won't be able to apply the weapon's potency rune bonus to your trip attempts unless the weapon already had the trip weapon trait. So you'll probably want to invest in a Lifting Belt or Armbands of Athleticism.


May I ask how the Staff Acrobat work with a Halfling Sling Staff when it's not a melee weapon?


JiCi wrote:
May I ask how the Staff Acrobat work with a Halfling Sling Staff when it's not a melee weapon?

Only Levering Strike [8th] and Pivot Strike [14th] require a Strike so you can 100% avoid them. If you did want those feats, you'd treat it as an improvised weapon. I'd suggest taking the Weapon Improviser Dedication or something similar to avoid the natural -2 to hit for improvised weapons.


graystone wrote:
JiCi wrote:
May I ask how the Staff Acrobat work with a Halfling Sling Staff when it's not a melee weapon?
Only Levering Strike [8th] and Pivot Strike [14th] require a Strike so you can 100% avoid them. If you did want those feats, you'd treat it as an improvised weapon. I'd suggest taking the Weapon Improviser Dedication or something similar to avoid the natural -2 to hit for improvised weapons.

For Bullying Strike and Staff Sweep, could you still Shove and Trip with the Sling Staff, despite not being a melee wepaon?


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This staff ends in a Y-shaped split that cradles a sling. The length of the staff provides excellent leverage when used two-handed to fling rocks or bullets from the sling.

If you're not okay with just treating it like the staff it is described as, then how about an improvised staff?


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I've always wondered why the Slingstaff isn't a combination weapon akin to Bow Staff But honestly it might just be that since it was a CRB release combination weapons didnt quite exist.

But yeah you can certainly treat it as an improvised staff


Baarogue wrote:
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This staff ends in a Y-shaped split that cradles a sling. The length of the staff provides excellent leverage when used two-handed to fling rocks or bullets from the sling.
If you're not okay with just treating it like the staff it is described as, then how about an improvised staff?

Like others have said, this should have been a combination weapon OR there should have been an exception for the Half Striker Stance to use the sling staff as a melee weapon.


JiCi wrote:
graystone wrote:
JiCi wrote:
May I ask how the Staff Acrobat work with a Halfling Sling Staff when it's not a melee weapon?
Only Levering Strike [8th] and Pivot Strike [14th] require a Strike so you can 100% avoid them. If you did want those feats, you'd treat it as an improvised weapon. I'd suggest taking the Weapon Improviser Dedication or something similar to avoid the natural -2 to hit for improvised weapons.
For Bullying Strike and Staff Sweep, could you still Shove and Trip with the Sling Staff, despite not being a melee weapon?

Yes. The requirement to use Bulling Strike and Staff Sweep is "You are wielding your staff" and wielding a ranged weapon/improvised weapon isn't a problem as it's not asking you for an attack roll.

Baarogue wrote:
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This staff ends in a Y-shaped split that cradles a sling. The length of the staff provides excellent leverage when used two-handed to fling rocks or bullets from the sling.
If you're not okay with just treating it like the staff it is described as, then how about an improvised staff?

Well, a staff doesn't equal a Staff: for instance, a Bo Staff, Gaff or Whipstaff also says they are a staff but it doesn't have Staff stats. It's a clear pattern of using staff as flavor vs it having a mechanical meaning. Not that i don't think the sling staff shouldn't have a melee option, you'll just have to house rule it or improvise weapon it.


It's almost like that's exactly what I said

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