You (real life) get one template ten times, but all your enemies also get that template ten times. What template would you pick?


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Assume the multiple copies of the template stack where appropriate, in spite of them being the "same" source. So like typeless bonuses between the copies stack, but a natural armor bonus wouldn't, unless it specifically increases your natural armor bonus like the Advanced template.

Also, once someone gets the templates from being your enemy, they keep them forever even if they stop being your enemy. This way you won't have any infinite loops where having the template would make them no longer your enemy due to a mental change, but losing the template reverts them back and thus they are your enemy again.

And finally, even if they are your enemy, they have to be a valid recipient of the template (except for inherited templates, which will be able to be given as acquired templates to everyone involved) in order to receive the templates.

What template would you pick?

For me, I could see myself doing the Advanced template. Even though that is just a +40 to every ability score and a +20 increase to natural armor, that is more than enough to make me the smartest human alive, if not very close to the smartest human alive. The good I could do with such a massive increase to my intelligence would far outweigh any possible bad my enemies could do.

Plus, I have to imagine that this would let me live longer, because in real life, you don't die straight up from old age, but rather just get more and more frail, and thus more and more susceptible to death from natural causes, but with a +40 to my physical ability scores, it will be a long time before I actually become frail enough to succumb to death from natural causes.

However, I like the idea of the Half-Celestial template. That is only a +2 to 3 ability scores and a +4 to the other 3 from each instance of the template, but I can stick a +4 into intelligence with all 10 Half-Celestial templates, a +4 four times into each other ability score, and then those same other ability scores each get a +2 six times so the end result is Int +40, every other ability score +28.

The Smite Evil and Spell-Like Abilities that affect evil creatures might seem useless, since the template makes your alignment "any good", and I definitely have anything evil aligned as my enemy, until you remember that in order to get the template, you have to be a "living, corporeal creature with an Intelligence score of 4 or more," and there is nothing preventing someone with the templates from becoming evil at a later date, which means those with the templates can stop them from becoming super villains.

Anyways, again, what would you pick?


I don’t know if I even have “enemies” like that, but young is the strategic template to choose, as you would be inconvenienced, while your enemies would be vegetative.


Melkiador wrote:
I don’t know if I even have “enemies” like that, but young is the strategic template to choose, as you would be inconvenienced, while your enemies would be vegetative.

I believe you misunderstood the title. I meant that both you and your enemies get the template 10 times. I used the word one to specify it has to be the same template, instead of being able to choose 10 different templates.

So it with the Young template, you would also be vegetative. Actually, I'm pretty sure the Young template has no text saying minimum Con of 1, so with a -40 to Con, you and your enemies would straight up die, unless a real world Kaiju comes into existence and becomes your enemy, because most Kaiju have a Con > 40 before the Youngx10 template, and a Str > 40 as well.

Anyways, if you don't want to die straight up, but want to take out your enemies, you could do the Degenerate template, which is a -4 to all ability scores (minimum 1).

Meaning you and most likely all your enemies have a full set of ability scores at 1 due to gaining a -40 (min 1) to all your ability scores.


In that case, divine guardian would keep my enemies locked down and give me as much immortality as I want to have.


I hate to spoil your fun, but if you have "enemies" plural, then your extreme intelligence is all but worthless. In your scenario, every enemy you have gets all the same boosts you do. That means you have a minimum of two enemies as smart as you, who are definitely aware of you, willing and able to work at counter purposes to whatever good you wish to achieve. As long as numerous enemies are getting all the goodies you are, I don't think this is a deal I would ever want to take.

That said, I don't know all of the templates that well. If there are any templates that are more modular, offering choices of variant spells, SLA's, and other features, then I might consider it, because my choices might differ enough from my enemies to allow for power level discrepancies. Even then, that's probably a fool's bargain. Are my enemies as fully aware of this offer/deal and all of their options as I am?

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Paladin.

Oh no, all my enemies are now lawful good! And I'm a lot stronger and more charismatic!


New rule, because I realized in a sort of poetic way, I am my own enemy

I'm fine:
I know I'm intelligent enough to better my life, I just don't have the drive to do so right now, so literally I am my own worst enemy... well water monsters are my worst enemy cause I have a phobia of them, but for the most part, they aren't real, since sharks technically can trigger it, but not always.
but you can only ever get this template 10 times from this deal, so if you are your own enemy, you don't get it another 10 times.


I wonder what it’s like for the enemies. Do they know why they have the template or how it works. If you give someone divine guardian without explaining it, they’ll kill themselves pretty quick.


Melkiador wrote:
I wonder what it’s like for the enemies. Do they know why they have the template or how it works. If you give someone divine guardian without explaining it, they’ll kill themselves pretty quick.

Like "turn all your enemies into vampires" is going to take out a bunch of them if they happen to be outside during the day when it happens.


Belafon wrote:

Paladin.

Oh no, all my enemies are now lawful good! And I'm a lot stronger and more charismatic!

I very possibly could be wrong, but do classes count as templates?


Sysryke wrote:
Belafon wrote:

Paladin.

Oh no, all my enemies are now lawful good! And I'm a lot stronger and more charismatic!

I very possibly could be wrong, but do classes count as templates?

Paladin template

There are templates available for all the core classes.


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I thought of another great one.

Mutant Creature, the one from Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Numeria, Land of Fallen Stars.

Unlike the later version from Bestiary 5, this version gives immunity to radiation, and has the following option for a mutation:

Radiation Affinity (Ex)
The mutant gains the advanced simple template when in areas of medium or stronger radiation.

So this template 10 times, put a +4 into Int for each template, and alternate the remaining +4 per template and both -2 per template between the 5 other ability scores so that there is no change for them.

Take the deformities Fragile and Spasms for each template, stacking the duration of their effects to 1 minute as a result, and take the mutation Radiation Affinity for each instance of the template, and then Celerity, Fast Healing, Mental Armor, Resistance (Acid, Cold, Electricity, Fire), Rugged, Sonar, and Telepathy for your remaining 10 mutations. If you had 4 or more HD before this, then take Increased Speed 10 times, to become the fastest human alive.

You can easily make a lot of money by being a boxer or something, then figure out a way to contaminate yourself with enough radiation to always be in medium or stronger radiation without effecting the rest of the world. Now that you have a +80 to your Int score, you will easily be able to invent anything you want, and learn any skill you want.

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