Barbarian second reaction


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I am playing as a Barbarian. Is there a way to MC into another class (using Free Archetype rules) to get a second reaction each round? I'm not referring to a Shield Block or anything, I'm looking for a reactive strike of some sort.


Barbarian has Reactive Strike as a level 6 feat.

As for getting another Reaction granted each round to use on it, there is Fighter: Tactical Reflexes at level 10 - which can just barely be gotten from the Fighter archetype as a level 20 Barbarian.

Yes, the game is very, very stingy on giving out additional Reaction actions each round.


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Yeah, I think there are a few other "gain an additional reaction" abilities in the game, but they're all pretty high level (especially when considering multiclass).

Additional reactions are powerful, so they're made hard to get.

Edit: I guess one thing to clarify, are you looking for additional kinds of reactions? Or the ability to do more reactions in a round?

Cause normally you can only do 1 reaction a round (even if you have multiple options). So it's important to get yourself a reaction, but having "lots" isn't necessarily worthwhile since you can only do 1 per round.

Personally, if I'm already looking at multiclassing that has a nice reaction, like Rogue's Nimble Dodge (for a defensive reaction) I'll make sure to pick it up. But unless I was already looking to multiclass to rogue, I wouldn't multiclass just to pick it up.


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Claxon wrote:
Yeah, I think there are a few other "gain an additional reaction" abilities in the game, but they're all pretty high level (especially when considering multiclass).

I'm only aware of four, though I fully admit that I may be missing some.

Quick Shield Block being the lowest level and has more paths to get. Champion has it available at level 8 and Bastion archetype and Viking archetype have it available at level 10.

Fighter: Tactical Reflexes mentioned earlier at level 10 or level 20 from the archetype.

Champion: Divine Reflexes at level 14 to get a second reaction to use the special Champion damage reduction reaction. That is too high of a level to get from the Champion archetype.

Swashbuckler: Reflexive Riposte to get a second reaction specifically for Opportune Riposte. Available at level 10 or from the archetype at level 20 if you also get the level 6 archetype feat that gives Opportune Riposte to begin with.

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Honestly, there's a reason it's quite hard for a barbarian to get a 2nd Reactive Strike per round: your first one was already a WILD amount of damage, because you get your Rage bonus on it (in addition to probably holding a greataxe). Which makes it far better than any fighter will ever get from a Reactive Strike. Having a 2nd one would be just absurd.

Remember, unlike in 1st edition, Reactive Strike is something you actually do expect to get to do once in a while. Combat can generally more mobile, because not everyone has Reactive Strike! A barbarian with one Reactive Strike is already hard enough to deal with for ranged combatants, casters, magi, basically anything that isn't another straight melee fighter. Having two would be just too miserable, as would the ability to (for example) No Escape and still be able to Reactive Strike the archer at the end of it.


Claxon wrote:

Yeah, I think there are a few other "gain an additional reaction" abilities in the game, but they're all pretty high level (especially when considering multiclass).

Additional reactions are powerful, so they're made hard to get.

Edit: I guess one thing to clarify, are you looking for additional kinds of reactions? Or the ability to do more reactions in a round?

Cause normally you can only do 1 reaction a round (even if you have multiple options). So it's important to get yourself a reaction, but having "lots" isn't necessarily worthwhile since you can only do 1 per round.

Personally, if I'm already looking at multiclassing that has a nice reaction, like Rogue's Nimble Dodge (for a defensive reaction) I'll make sure to pick it up. But unless I was already looking to multiclass to rogue, I wouldn't multiclass just to pick it up.

Yes I'm looking to do a second reaction in a round (like a reactive strike) but as it appears it is not possible till very late game. I wonder if there is a talisman or some other type of item that could possibly have this type of effect.


Surprisingly there are some - but they have lots of restrictions:

Hype

Helm of Zeal


The Total Package wrote:
Yes I'm looking to do a second reaction in a round (like a reactive strike) but as it appears it is not possible till very late game. I wonder if there is a talisman or some other type of item that could possibly have this type of effect.

Then I don't think you're going to have many options, as a barbarian character.

The abilities that exist that do allow for extra reactions, are very high level when multiclassing.


Gortle wrote:

Surprisingly there are some - but they have lots of restrictions:

Hype

Helm of Zeal

Helm of Zeal OK it can give a character with a champion reaction an extra reaction use per day if it's lvl 11 or per hour if it's lvl 18. But Hype doesn't give extra reaction just a limited quickened.


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Helm of Zeal, notably, is only really useful for Champs (or archetype Champs) as it only lets them use the reaction for their champ reaction. Getting a second reaction usable with Strikes (they seemed to be looking for more offensive options) is relegated to late-game stuff mostly.

If you want, TTP, it might be easier for you to be a Fighter that uses a lot of their feats for Barbarian dedication feats instead if what you want is to be able to react multiple times but also be a Rager. It'll still be until midgame before it comes online, but it's way easier in that configuration.


It depends on what they're looking to get out of being a barbarian, but you're likely right. By grabbing the Instinct Ability feat they probably get what they're looking for out of barbarian and would have access to the fighter's abilities.

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