Multiclass spell casting question


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Lets say I am a Witch and I MC into Wizard, as my adventuring career progresses would I be using the Witch's spell DC's when casting arcane spells like Befuddle? How does it work?


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Since proficiency is no longer separate for different casting traditions, you just use your highest casting proficiency, and use the appropriate attribute modifier for each source of casting. Since both wizard and witch use INT, they will match in this case.


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Yup. If instead you multiclass into Druid, you would still use your Witch's spellcasting proficiency (trained, expert, master, legendary), but your druid spells would be using Wisdom bonus instead of Intelligence. Similarly multiclassing into Sorcerer would be using Charisma instead of Intelligence, but still with your Witch's proficiency.


Oh awesome thanks guys. So you get 3 first level spells, if you had basic spell casting feat for wizard you would get an additional spell at first giving you 4 total. Would I only be able to add 1 arcane spell to my daily preparations or could I add 2 occult and 2 arcane let's say.


Atalius wrote:
Oh awesome thanks guys. So you get 3 first level spells, if you had basic spell casting feat for wizard you would get an additional spell at first giving you 4 total. Would I only be able to add 1 arcane spell to my daily preparations or could I add 2 occult and 2 arcane let's say.

I'm confused. Is this character an Arcane Witch or an Occult Witch?


Gisher wrote:
Atalius wrote:
Oh awesome thanks guys. So you get 3 first level spells, if you had basic spell casting feat for wizard you would get an additional spell at first giving you 4 total. Would I only be able to add 1 arcane spell to my daily preparations or could I add 2 occult and 2 arcane let's say.
I'm confused. Is this character an Arcane Witch or an Occult Witch?

An occult Witch, Multiclassing into Wizard.


Atalius wrote:
Gisher wrote:
Atalius wrote:
Oh awesome thanks guys. So you get 3 first level spells, if you had basic spell casting feat for wizard you would get an additional spell at first giving you 4 total. Would I only be able to add 1 arcane spell to my daily preparations or could I add 2 occult and 2 arcane let's say.
I'm confused. Is this character an Arcane Witch or an Occult Witch?
An occult Witch, Multiclassing into Wizard.

Gotcha.

Let's say that you are a 4th level Occult Witch who has taken the Basic Spellcasting feat for multiclass Wizard.

Your daily spells as a Witch would look like this:

5 cantrips
3 1st rank
3 2nd rank

These can only be filled with Occult spells.

Your daily spells as a multiclass Wizard would look like this:

2 cantrips
1 1st rank

These can only be filled with Arcane spells.

Shadow Lodge

Please note the responses in this thread are assuming you are using the new REMASTERED rules.

If you using the 'classic' rules, then you use the proficiency granted by the Dedication feat (and upgraded by later archetype feats) when casting your 'wizard' spells from your limited number of 'wizard' spell slots:

Archetype, Dedication, Multiclass

Source Core Rulebook pg. 231 4.0
Archetype Wizard
Prerequisites Intelligence 14
You cast spells like a wizard, gaining a spellbook with four common arcane cantrips of your choice. You gain the Cast a Spell activity. You can prepare two cantrips each day from your spellbook. You're trained in arcane spell attack rolls and spell DCs. Your key spellcasting ability for wizard archetype spells is Int, and they are arcane wizard spells. You become trained in Arcana; if you were already trained in Arcana, you instead become trained in a skill of your choice. Select one arcane school of magic; you don't gain any abilities from your choice of school.

Special You can’t select another dedication feat until you have gained two other feats from the wizard archetype.


Gisher wrote:
Atalius wrote:
Gisher wrote:
Atalius wrote:
Oh awesome thanks guys. So you get 3 first level spells, if you had basic spell casting feat for wizard you would get an additional spell at first giving you 4 total. Would I only be able to add 1 arcane spell to my daily preparations or could I add 2 occult and 2 arcane let's say.
I'm confused. Is this character an Arcane Witch or an Occult Witch?
An occult Witch, Multiclassing into Wizard.

Gotcha.

Let's say that you are a 4th level Occult Witch who has taken the Basic Spellcasting feat for multiclass Wizard.

Your daily spells as a Witch would look like this:

5 cantrips
3 1st rank
3 2nd rank

These can only be filled with Occult spells.

Your daily spells as a multiclass Wizard would look like this:

2 cantrips
1 1st rank

These can only be filled with Arcane spells.

Ohhh, argh. That's a shame, would love to get more Befuddle.


Atalius wrote:
Gisher wrote:
Atalius wrote:
Gisher wrote:
Atalius wrote:
Oh awesome thanks guys. So you get 3 first level spells, if you had basic spell casting feat for wizard you would get an additional spell at first giving you 4 total. Would I only be able to add 1 arcane spell to my daily preparations or could I add 2 occult and 2 arcane let's say.
I'm confused. Is this character an Arcane Witch or an Occult Witch?
An occult Witch, Multiclassing into Wizard.

Gotcha.

Let's say that you are a 4th level Occult Witch who has taken the Basic Spellcasting feat for multiclass Wizard.

Your daily spells as a Witch would look like this:

5 cantrips
3 1st rank
3 2nd rank

These can only be filled with Occult spells.

Your daily spells as a multiclass Wizard would look like this:

2 cantrips
1 1st rank

These can only be filled with Arcane spells.

Ohhh, argh. That's a shame, would love to get more Befuddle.

A human could take Adapted Cantrip (1) and Adapted Adept (5) to add Befuddle to your Witch repertoire as an Occult spell, but it couldn't be heightened so that's kind of a limited option.


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Taja the Barbarian wrote:
Please note the responses in this thread are assuming you are using the new REMASTERED rules.

While that is accurate, I'm not sure why the rules discussion forum would be assuming anything else.

It is like saying "Oh, this discussion about Alchemist is assuming that you aren't still using the initial release of the Core Rulebook and so you have medium armor proficiency and don't have to spend a 5th level feat to get Powerful Alchemy."

Why do we need to qualify everything that we say with that? The Remaster is as much errata as it is a reprinting of the books.

Shadow Lodge

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Finoan wrote:
Taja the Barbarian wrote:
Please note the responses in this thread are assuming you are using the new REMASTERED rules.

While that is accurate, I'm not sure why the rules discussion forum would be assuming anything else.

It is like saying "Oh, this discussion about Alchemist is assuming that you aren't still using the initial release of the Core Rulebook and so you have medium armor proficiency and don't have to spend a 5th level feat to get Powerful Alchemy."

Why do we need to qualify everything that we say with that? The Remaster is as much errata as it is a reprinting of the books.

The Remaster is more than errata but less than a new edition, and it is quite possible that players haven't picked up the remaster yet and AoN.com hasn't been updated so you can't just look it up online.

Given this and the fact that the remaster isn't even complete, I'm guessing there are a lot of games that are sticking with the 'classic' version for the time being (particularly games that started under the 'classic' rules).

So yes, if the answer to the question differs by version and you actually want to be helpful, you should specify which version your answer is for in order to minimize confusion.


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This particular question about spellcasting proficiency isn't more than errata though. And asking about it now is a pretty strong indicator that it is regarding the Remastered rule set.

Yes, it is a bit annoying that AoN hasn't updated yet. Several VTTs and character creation apps have though.

But I don't feel the need to qualify everything because of that. If a particular table wants to stay stuck in the past, they can certainly do so. But they need to realize that they are staying stuck in the past and that current discussion of the rules is going to leave them behind.


Gisher wrote:
Atalius wrote:
Gisher wrote:
Atalius wrote:
Gisher wrote:
Atalius wrote:
Oh awesome thanks guys. So you get 3 first level spells, if you had basic spell casting feat for wizard you would get an additional spell at first giving you 4 total. Would I only be able to add 1 arcane spell to my daily preparations or could I add 2 occult and 2 arcane let's say.
I'm confused. Is this character an Arcane Witch or an Occult Witch?
An occult Witch, Multiclassing into Wizard.

Gotcha.

Let's say that you are a 4th level Occult Witch who has taken the Basic Spellcasting feat for multiclass Wizard.

Your daily spells as a Witch would look like this:

5 cantrips
3 1st rank
3 2nd rank

These can only be filled with Occult spells.

Your daily spells as a multiclass Wizard would look like this:

2 cantrips
1 1st rank

These can only be filled with Arcane spells.

Ohhh, argh. That's a shame, would love to get more Befuddle.
A human could take Adapted Cantrip (1) and Adapted Adept (5) to add Befuddle to your Witch repertoire as an Occult spell, but it couldn't be heightened so that's kind of a limited option.

am i missing something? Befuddle either way doesn't have a heightened effect, right?


shroudb wrote:

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am i missing something? Befuddle either way doesn't have a heightened effect, right?

Nope, I'm the one who missed something. :)

I'm not familiar with the spell, and I just assumed that it would benefit from heightened. So I guess the Adaptive Adept approach would work just fine.

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