| TeggerTheTank |
Hi all, I’m working on my next level and need help to determine if this combination works the way I hope it does.
Lawful evil 10th lvl character (5 cleric of asmodeus , 5 hell knight signifier). Next level is as an oracle with the godclaw mystery.
First question is if I can choose might of the god claw as signifer lvls stack with oracle levels for the purposes of mysteries.
Second question is if I am allowed to choose abadar as the deity for the deific obediencefeat given by that mystery.
If yes, then do I qualify for the diverse obedience feat.
Thanks in advance
| Azothath |
the reason a character dips into another class is to pick up basic abilities they don't have or to cover weaknesses.
Thus Cleric & Oracle (being highly similar) is not a good choice.
Things don't 'stack' unless they say they do. The only generic pass is for abilities based on HD or overall level. Caster Levels generally don't stack (Prestige classes make an exception but usually only for one class, Mystic Theurge does two). Note Signifier says '+1 level of spellcasting class' not classes.
A creature can only recieve a mechanical benefit from worshipping one deity. So yes you can worship both but only get benefits like cleric spells and abilities from ONE. An atonement spell is required for divine spellcasters that switch their main deity. The ruling came out of PFS mainly due to expanded summoning lists and the deific obediencies as it seemed obvious that you could only have one. LoL. So your GM could approve doing two but it is not considered standard.
If you are adamant on wanting to go dual casters use Mystic Theurge but you'll need two casting styles [arcane, divine, psychic(occult)]. You could then point Signifier to MT class and then dodge dice thrown by your GM...
| Mysterious Stranger |
Catechesis (Ex): If a Hellknight signifer has the Warrior Priest feat, his class level stacks with other divine spellcasting classes for determining the effects of those classes’ domain powers, inquisitions, and mysteries. This doesn’t grant any new powers or abilities. In addition, a Hellknight signifer with the Warrior Priest feat gains Alignment Channel (chaos) as a bonus feat, and treats his Hellknight signifer levels as cleric levels when determining the amount of damage healed or dealt and saving throw DCs of his channeled energy.
The bolded section specifies you don’t gain any new powers or abilities. This means you have to qualify for the ability without the prestige class level. Since it requires oracle level of 3 you cannot choose it. Once you gain 3 levels of oracle it would act as if your oracle level is 8 instead of 3.
If you are a cleric to Asmodeous performing the deific obedience to another deity will create problems and may end up with you becoming and ex-cleric. If you are a cleric of the pantheon, then you probably have more freedom. Not all GMs allow you to become a cleric of a pantheon. The Golarion setting usually requires clerics to have a specific deity, but check with your GM.
| Mysterious Stranger |
Catechesis (Ex): If a Hellknight signifer has the Warrior Priest feat, his class level stacks with other divine spellcasting classes for determining the effects of those classes’ domain powers, inquisitions, and mysteries. This doesn’t grant any new powers or abilities. In addition, a Hellknight signifer with the Warrior Priest feat gains Alignment Channel (chaos) as a bonus feat, and treats his Hellknight signifer levels as cleric levels when determining the amount of damage healed or dealt and saving throw DCs of his channeled energy.
The bolded section specifies you don’t gain any new powers or abilities. This means you have to qualify for the ability without the prestige class level. Since it requires oracle level of 3 you cannot choose it. Once you gain 3 levels of oracle it would act as if your oracle level is 8 instead of 3.
If you are a cleric to Asmodeous performing the deific obedience to another deity will create problems and may end up with you becoming and ex-cleric. If you are a cleric of the pantheon, then you probably have more freedom. Not all GMs allow you to become a cleric of a pantheon. The Golarion setting usually requires clerics to have a specific deity, but check with your GM.
One of the prerequisites of diverse obedience is that your alignment must match your worshiped deity. Your alignment is Lawful Evil, Abadar’s alignment is Lawful Neutral. If you are worshiping Adadar you don’t meet the prerequisite for the feat.
I am not sure what you are trying to accomplish, but this looks like a really bad idea. Going into Oracle is going to halt your spell progression for cleric. Hellknight Signifier is only going to increase one spell casting class. So, what you end up with is a weak character that does not have access to higher level class features.
| TeggerTheTank |
Advice
right.
I think Warrior Priest feat is a good choice so plan on picking it up if you don't have it. The initiative and concentration buffs are gravy as doing more dice with your channel is the real power (and good effect for one feat).I think you're stuck in Clr 10 / Hk Signifier 10 as other options don't look good. Signifier 9&10 are good and cutting your base class(Cleric) can be painful.
The only other option is racial feats/traits. Had you been Samsaran the Mythic Past Lives would have let you poach a spell list (like Druid). Tieflings have Wing options but it is pricey.
Oh yea it wasn’t relevant to the question above but I do already have the warrior priest feat, since it’s one of the requirements to level into signifer. It’s been really helpful.
And yea I am a tiefling, so going into wings could be good. I’m just kinda stuck on what to focus on for my next feat.