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The remaster greatly simplifies refocusing by removing the requirement that one must have spent a focus point since last regaining any focus point. This doesn't quite hit the spot for at least a couple reasons:
- Classes that mitigate or remove the refocusing barrier have lost their edge and are now less-desirable choices until they get "remastered" themselves. Oracle isn't scheduled for that until next year, and psychic isn't scheduled at all (though I assume it will get treatment of some kind eventually).
- The replacement 12-level focus-point recovery feat is basically a never-take: the difference between recovering three focus points in 10 minutes and recovering them in 30 minutes is immaterial in most situations.
Instead of removing the focus point recovery barrier entirely, why not turn it into a "refocus max" and preserve the recovery feats/class features, rewriting them to instead raise that max? E.g., a wizard with a focus pool of 2 can only refocus to 1/2 points until it acquires its 12th-level refocus feat, at which point it can recover to full. If the wizard is already at 1/2 points, refocusing does nothing until they acquire that feat.
This would still simplify the existing rule by removing the need to track whether one spent a point the last time they refocused. It would also preserve (or arguably even increase) the value of the refocus feats and class features.
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I don't think that "I get to refocus more points than you" is the edge that Oracle and Psychic really wants or needs.
For Oracle and Psychic, I think they both start with two focus points at level 1. So they are already at an advantage over most focus point casters.
For the classes that have feats that allow refocusing more points - that just means that they can get different feats.
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The remaster greatly simplifies refocusing by removing the requirement that one must have spent a focus point since last regaining any focus point. This doesn't quite hit the spot for at least a couple reasons:
- Classes that mitigate or remove the refocusing barrier have lost their edge and are now less-desirable choices until they get "remastered" themselves. Oracle isn't scheduled for that until next year, and psychic isn't scheduled at all (though I assume it will get treatment of some kind eventually).
- The replacement 12-level focus-point recovery feat is basically a never-take: the difference between recovering three focus points in 10 minutes and recovering them in 30 minutes is immaterial in most situations.
Instead of removing the focus point recovery barrier entirely, why not turn it into a "refocus max" and preserve the recovery feats/class features, rewriting them to instead raise that max? E.g., a wizard with a focus pool of 2 can only refocus to 1/2 points until it acquires its 12th-level refocus feat, at which point it can recover to full. If the wizard is already at 1/2 points, refocusing does nothing until they acquire that feat.
This would still simplify the existing rule by removing the need to track whether one spent a point the last time they refocused. It would also preserve (or arguably even increase) the value of the refocus feats and class features.
I don't think it simplifies things because I still don't really understand what you're suggesting. Also, no one cares about preserving the value of the refocus class feats, oracle is in Player Core 2 so Paizo has a chance to give it new things, and we can count on psychic getting some kind of errata to at least clarify how amps work with the new focus pool rules if not give them an appropriate buff.
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Your suggestion is too close to the status quo, which is going away for a reason. It sucks.
Yeah, this change feels kind of bad as a psychic, but that's a reason to ask for changes to the psychic, not a nerf to every other caster in the game.
If I were to ask for changes to the psychic, it would be to reduce how good it is as a dedication. It is much more popular in my area than Sorcerer, Witch or Wizard dedications are.
I don't think that psychic archetype have some relation here. If be a good archetype was a problem the alchemist archetype needs to be removed too. Theres no point here.
The main reason thats psychic archetype are good is because it have some good focus spells and due it gives a focus point and because of Imaginary Weapon for Magus/Eldritch Archer.
About psychic class a simple errata solution may solve its problems. Maybe give free AMPs casting while in Unleash like it has in playtest completely solves the problems.
Considering that Psychic starts with three different Amp cantrips, starting them with 3 focus points makes a lot of sense too. That is how your number of focus points is determined, after all.
And Oracle has always been capped on their focus point expediture by their curse progression limit.
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As this is a Rules Question, the ship has sailed.
10 minutes per point recovered, 1 point per power in the pool.
If you like, perhaps you can make the old 12th and 18th level powers homebrewed into some instantaneous recovery? Examples:
12th - Once per day, you may ◆, ◆◆, or ◆◆◆ to immediately recover a corresponding number of focus points.
18th - Once per hour, you may ◆, ◆◆, or ◆◆◆ to immediately recover a corresponding number of focus points.
(and give this to Oracle for free at the appropriate levels?)
Something like that?
Your suggestion is too close to the status quo, which is going away for a reason. It sucks.
Yeah, this change feels kind of bad as a psychic, but that's a reason to ask for changes to the psychic, not a nerf to every other caster in the game.
I don't know what you could even do for the psychic under this new paradigm. The whole point was having one less slot spell and getting one more focus spell, now the Druid gets as many focus spells as you do but also has more slots.
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I don't know what you could even do for the psychic under this new paradigm. The whole point was having one less slot spell and getting one more focus spell, now the Druid gets as many focus spells as you do but also has more slots.
Only at lower levels. Even in PF2.4 a Druid can get three focus points and refocus all of them with enough feat investment.
At level 1 only a Wild Order druid would get two focus spells.
And giving Psychic and Oracle the ability to refocus all of their points in one 10 minute activity instead of 20 or 30 minutes is probably enough.
Yet I hope that Oracles get some review in Core 2 in order to prevent them to be the only one who had more restrictive usage of focus points. Otherwise they will go from one of the best options to use focus spell to the worse.
About Psychic I partially agree. The main advantage of psychics in lower levels is the fact that they can recover 2 focus points during refocus while other classes only get this at level 12 (10 for champions) I still think they need some compensation here.
If I were to ask for changes to the psychic, it would be to reduce how good it is as a dedication. It is much more popular in my area than Sorcerer, Witch or Wizard dedications are.
Well, it also allows for your choice of two different key attributes, so it should already be twice as popular even if it wasn't better. Which it largely is, but I think with how hard it would be to get 3 focus points on a wizard otherwise I'd be against the changing the dedication.