The new Jalmeri Heavenseeker. Boon?


Pathfinder Society

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With Impossible lands the Jalmeri Heavenseeker dedication finally got an update and is no longer OP. It has also been declared legal for society play.

Boons for the Ancestries of Lost Omens Impossible Lands have already been added but I cant find a boon for the Heavenseeker archetype. (Or the other archetype in that book for that matter)

Is that something that normally takes longer? Is there a way to access it without a boon, since it is uncommon?

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There isnt a boon currently giving access to it.

Liberty's Edge 4/5 5/55/55/5 ****

I think that access will be gained from a scenario, much like the skelaton anstrey was add by an adventure. Well ACP but and adventure opened the way.

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Gary Bush wrote:
I think that access will be gained from a scenario, much like the skelaton anstrey was add by an adventure. Well ACP but and adventure opened the way.

That would be interesting.

I assume a boon is to come, I just found it weird that the society character options specifically mention the archetype as now being legal and then there is no boon

Liberty's Edge 4/5 5/55/55/5 ****

Being legal for play and gaining access are two different things under 2e.

Wayfinders 4/5 5/55/55/55/5 ***** Contributor

They plan scenarios months in advance. The developers may even have an adventure where they want to include access to this archetype in mind, but it hasn't been written yet.

Hmm

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Hilary Moon Murphy wrote:

They plan scenarios months in advance. The developers may even have an adventure where they want to include access to this archetype in mind, but it hasn't been written yet.

Hmm

Damn, I hope the wait isnt that long. Got a monk waiting at level 3

Dark Archive 2/5 **

Any possible updates on if the JHS archetype is available yet? Keep checking and after 4-5 months I haven't seen a boon pop up. Have I missed something?

The statement is:
The Jalmeri Heavenseeker archetype as printed in this book (page 224) is legal for play. Players may not use the version printed in Pathfinder #158: Six Feet Under.

Does legal for play truly mean "treat it as standard uncommon" and not "Standard Common"?

Sovereign Court 4/5 5/5 ** Venture-Lieutenant, Netherlands—Leiden

Red Griffyn wrote:

Any possible updates on if the JHS archetype is available yet? Keep checking and after 4-5 months I haven't seen a boon pop up. Have I missed something?

The statement is:
The Jalmeri Heavenseeker archetype as printed in this book (page 224) is legal for play. Players may not use the version printed in Pathfinder #158: Six Feet Under.

Does legal for play truly mean "treat it as standard uncommon" and not "Standard Common"?

Look at the diagram next to Availability here.

"Standard" is not the same as "common". The Jalmeri Heavenseeker has standard availability, but it's still uncommon.

So you still need to find something that gives you access because it's uncommon. But because it's Standard, if a boon for that exists, it's likely to be fairly broadly available. (I'm not aware that such a boon exists though.)

Whereas if something were Limited, it'd probably only be on a charity auction boon or other pretty hard to get way.

1/5 5/55/5 *** Venture-Agent, Online—VTT

I believe the "The Jalmeri Heavenseeker archetype as printed in this book (page 224) is legal for play. Players may not use the version printed in Pathfinder #158: Six Feet Under." line does not affect Access at all, leaving Jalmeri Heavenseeker as Standard and Uncommon with no current Access method.

Instead of affecting Access, I read that as "If a character is able to gain Access (through whatever future method) to Jalmeri Heavenseeker, it MUST be the version from Lost Omens: Impossible Lands and NOT the version from Agents of Edgewatch".

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I guess you can distill my question into "what does legal mean?"

That chart is a matrix of availability and rarity. Is legal synonymous with standard availability (because it doesn't say legal anywhere) or is legal synonymous with the top left corner of the matrix (i.e., a combination of availability and rarity allowing anyone to take it without boons).

Obviously I would prefer the latter interpretation since I've been waiting literal years to play this archetype. But it isn't clear to me what the intent was. Maybe injecting some wishful thinking might get that boon published if that is what is needed. Take all my ACP lol.

Dark Archive 2/5 **

Obligatory bump.

Timeline
- Archetype first published in 2020-AUG-26.
- Archetype fixed and published in Impossible Lands in 2022-NOV-16 and sanctioned for use

...6 months...

- Amazing PFS Team gives out a boon that gives access for ACP and I get to play this archetype!

Please/Pretty Please? Can we get a boon tied to agents of edge-watch or impossible lands that lets us get access to this uncommon option?

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I am bumping this again.

There is still no boon for the archetype. This is pretty frustrating. Is there a way to ask for stuff like this other than Posting in this forum? It really feels like an oversight that there is still no way to access this archetype, while it was specifically mentioned to be legal.

1/5 5/55/5 *** Venture-Agent, Online—VTT

There really is not, no.

Horizon Hunters 2/5 ***** Venture-Agent, California—Silicon Valley

Candlejake wrote:

I am bumping this again.

There is still no boon for the archetype. This is pretty frustrating. Is there a way to ask for stuff like this other than Posting in this forum? It really feels like an oversight that there is still no way to access this archetype, while it was specifically mentioned to be legal.

Read this blog post. There's rumors that Safa is heading to Jalmery soon.

Horizon Hunters 4/5 5/5 ****

Candlejake wrote:

I am bumping this again.

There is still no boon for the archetype. This is pretty frustrating. Is there a way to ask for stuff like this other than Posting in this forum? It really feels like an oversight that there is still no way to access this archetype, while it was specifically mentioned to be legal.

It may not be an oversight. They may have decided it was legal at the point the source book had been released, but had not yet decided on how access would be granted. There may be an in-game way that it will later be made available, or it may be some other way.

But, it may not be an oversight.

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Im necromancing this thread again. Do i have to give up on this archetype ever becoming available? Got a monk ready for it for the longest time now.

Dark Archive 4/5 *** Venture-Lieutenant, Finland—Turku

I'm not sure why you keep necromancing the thread.
Either the boon is added to the boon store (Not Yet, AFAIK) or it'll be as a reward in a scenario (and discussing/revealing scenario boons is discouraged).

You could request it in the boon request thread too.
Official Pathfinder Society-Boon Request Thread

The blog post that was linked earlier that mentioned Safa heading into Jalmeray? We're getting that scenario in January next year:
The Crocodiles Smile but the description of the scenario seems like it could be the first part of an adventure chain, so IF we're getting the Jalmeray Heaven seeker at some point, there's still no guarantee that it'll be on that upcoming scenario.

Honestly, I'd recommend you don't just wait around for a year hoping for a boon that may or may not come - enjoy what's available now, and get back to this character concept If you later run into the boon.

There's no guarantee for that archetype to ever become available - for comparison, there's a boon in one of the very first few scenarios of season 1 that says "This boon might have special effects in future scenarios." 4 years later? Still hasn't come up (as far as I know).

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Tomppa wrote:

I'm not sure why you keep necromancing the thread.

Either the boon is added to the boon store (Not Yet, AFAIK) or it'll be as a reward in a scenario (and discussing/revealing scenario boons is discouraged).

The funny thing is I came back to necro this thread just now and found it was actually somewhat near the top lol.

The boon request thread has 2-3 requests with the most upvotes for this archetype. So you asked 'why', the answer is because a lot of the community really wants it and it never hurts to be vocal about your hopes. Give the people what they want lol. Especially when over a year ago it was sanctioned for use and the only thing that keeps us from having what we want is (IMO) an arbitrary/needless access requirement. I have been waiting close to 3+ years to play this archetype, 1+ years to play the revised archetype in PFS.

Its true even in this recent (2023-DEC-21) postthey mentioned Jalmeray. I really hope we do get this in the year of ghosts boon or as part of all this Jalmeray talk.

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