“Chair Eidolon”: Summoner Dedication and Steed Form

[Tunu40]

Just curious if I’m understanding how this works.

Summoner Dedication: Due to your tenuous link, you can't gain or use tandem actions.

Steed Form: Since you work together to move, your eidolon's move actions while you're mounted gain the tandem trait.

Riding Sapient Creatures: Riding along on a sapient creature that isn't a minion requires a lot of coordination and timing. Both the riding creature and the mount regain only 2 actions at the start of their turns each round, as both the mount and the riding creature interfere with one another's actions. If you ride your eidolon, you reduce your total actions to 2 and continue to share actions normally—you don't reduce the number of actions twice.

So, if I’m understanding correctly: Since Steed Form feat doesn’t have the Tandem trait, you can take it. You gain three things from the feat:

-You gain 3 actions per turn, not 2 actions per turn.
-Only you can ride it in this way.
-Eidolon Move actions gain the Tandem trait.

I’m curious because the “you” in the summoner line, is that referring to the character, the eidolon, or the player? The eidolon Move (Stride/Step/Leap/Sneak/Burrow/etc..) gains the Tandem trait, not the character. The character can only perform Mount. The summoner character does not perform the move.

Second, in the summoner line, it says you cannot gain tandem move actions. Does that mean the eidolon loses all the move actions if the summoner ever mounts the eidolon with Steed Form?

So if you want to ride your eidolon as a summoner dedication, taking the Steed Form feat actually prevents you from riding your eidolon?

[SuperBidi]

Tunu40 wrote:

So if you want to ride your eidolon as a summoner dedication, taking the Steed Form feat actually prevents you from riding your eidolon?

Well, you can ride it but it can't move.

Steed Form only works for full on Summoners. Dedicated Summoners can't ride their Eidolon in a mechanically satisfying way.

[Tunu40]

Oh, I guess being able to mount another character with customizable stat arrays, skills, and the possibility of using magic on a dedication could be unfair.

Riding the eidolon still works normally outside combat, so I guess this is just a free spot for something else.

Thanks!

[Ravingdork]

SuperBidi wrote:

Tunu40 wrote:

So if you want to ride your eidolon as a summoner dedication, taking the Steed Form feat actually prevents you from riding your eidolon?

Well, you can ride it but it can't move.

Steed Form only works for full on Summoners. Dedicated Summoners can't ride their Eidolon in a mechanically satisfying way.

That sounds like it fails the TOO BAD TO BE TRUE test I've been hearing about regarding ambiguously broken rules lately.

[thewastedwalrus]

Summoner Dedication wrote:

Due to your tenuous link, you can't gain or use tandem actions.

Steed form gives you tandem move actions, so you can't take it because of the summoner dedication limitation.

[Phillip Gastone]

I'm now seeing a Master Blaster version. ;)

[Djinn71]

thewastedwalrus wrote:

Summoner Dedication wrote:

Due to your tenuous link, you can't gain or use tandem actions.

Steed form gives you tandem move actions, so you can't take it because of the summoner dedication limitation.

I don't see any restriction on your Eidolon gaining/using Tandem actions, which is what the Steed Form feat allows. Am I missing a mechanic that applies this restriction to your Eidolon as well?

Edit: Oh I see, the "Due to your tenuous link, you can't gain or use tandem actions." is ambiguous, "you" could refer to the PC or both the PC and the Eidolon.

[SuperBidi]

Ravingdork wrote:

SuperBidi wrote:

Tunu40 wrote:

So if you want to ride your eidolon as a summoner dedication, taking the Steed Form feat actually prevents you from riding your eidolon?

Well, you can ride it but it can't move.

Steed Form only works for full on Summoners. Dedicated Summoners can't ride their Eidolon in a mechanically satisfying way.

That sounds like it fails the TOO BAD TO BE TRUE test I've been hearing about regarding ambiguously broken rules lately.

In that case I'm 99% sure it's intended.

[Gortle]

There are a number of things like this that have been deliberately nerfed out of an abundance of caution by Paizo. It looks deliberate to me. DId they need to? Probably as the Eidolon is still pretty strong as a MC summoner build.