Locked PDF's?


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Envoy's Alliance

Pathfinder Adventure, Lost Omens, PF Special Edition, Rulebook Subscriber; Starfinder Superscriber

Whenever I try to highlight my pdf it requires a password to unlock. Is this possible to get or is this something that is not aloud.


Moulson wrote:
Whenever I try to highlight my pdf it requires a password to unlock. Is this possible to get or is this something that is not aloud.

That's unusual. I've never had a problem doing a copy/paste from a PDF.

A couple things to try:
a) Download the PDF again to make sure you don't have a corrupted copy (not likely, but, eh)
b) Use a different PDF reader to open the file.


I've never seen that either. I just checked all three of my subscription PDFs from this month (Starfinder AP, Pathfinder AP, Lost Omens Ancestry Guide) and all three of them work fine to select and copy and paste text in both FoxIt and Adobe Reader.


Assuming you're talking about highlighting PDFs as actually marking up your copy of the text as opposed to selecting to copy/paste, you might check out this very old thread.

To condense: PDF security is (was?) binary, not granular. If Paizo allows things they don't mind you doing with the PDF, they have to also allow things they emphatically don't want you doing with your PDF.


Joana wrote:
To condense: PDF security is (was?) binary, not granular. If Paizo allows things they don't mind you doing with the PDF, they have to also allow things they emphatically don't want you doing with your PDF.

You can allow/disallow the following actions individually, and that's me using Acrobat Reader 10.1 from 2011:

* Printing
* "Document Assembly" (no idea what this is)
* Content Copying
* Content Copying for Accessibility (guessing this allows you to copy text * for speech software)
* Page Extraction
* Commenting (possibly including highlighting?)
* Filling of form fields
* Signing
* Creation of template pages

Cheers


Wouldn’t you need full acrobat to actually generate a PDF? I thought acrobat reader was just that - a reader.

It’s worth noting that there are anti-piracy efforts not immediately obvious to us (ie beyond the watermark). It doesn’t really matter what other things are toggleable - those are the ones that matter and Paizo don’t discuss them publicly.


Steve Geddes wrote:
Wouldn’t you need full acrobat to actually generate a PDF? I thought acrobat reader was just that - a reader.

Yes of course.

Maybe I should clarify that I can see the rights given to a particular PDF in Reader, but I can't change 'em.

I just wanted to expand upon that "PDF security is binary, not granular" claim above. Not sure what it refers to.


Steve Geddes wrote:
It’s worth noting that there are anti-piracy efforts not immediately obvious to us (ie beyond the watermark). It doesn’t really matter what other things are toggleable - those are the ones that matter and Paizo don’t discuss them publicly.

I genuinely don't know what you're suggesting here.

No, there is no Paizo-specific anti-piracy effort that can cause the OPs behavior. Assuming Adobe coded their software in a way that the ability to highlight text can be individually constricted, that's one thing, but it has nothing to do with "anti-piracy efforts not immediately obvious to us".

Honestly, it's more likely the OP got hold of a malware-infected PDF reader trying to trick him or her into believing it's normal to have to pay to unlock your own PDFs...

Cheers

PS. To add a bit of friendly constructive advice to the OP:

1. Assuming you're on Windows, use the built-in antivirus system to check your full hard drive. Yes, the free Windows security is good enough nowadays - uninstall every other antiviral product that might be installed on your computer. There's a Security Overview page where you can check Windows isn't reporting any problems (such as the antivirus updates being out of date).

2. Download Adobe Reader from Adobe's own site. Until you're sure you know what you're doing, use no other PDF software.

3. Make sure you understand the difference between looking at a PDF file in a preview window (most if not all major browers now display PDFs natively), and loading it into Adobe Reader.

Personally I find PDF preview to be useless and annoying so I've made my browsers open up downloaded PDFs in Reader instead. Personally I use an old PDF version (10.1) because I hate the built-in adware Adobe ships in newer versions.

Don't believe Adobe when they claim you need "the latest security patches" to use PDF files - you don't. No major supplier of PDFs use the bloat Adobe supports with new versions - every Paizo PDF works just fine in an old Reader.

Grand Lodge

I checked my copy of Lost Omens Ancestry Guide using Foxit Reader. I can select text to highlight or copy.


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Zapp wrote:
Steve Geddes wrote:
It’s worth noting that there are anti-piracy efforts not immediately obvious to us (ie beyond the watermark). It doesn’t really matter what other things are toggleable - those are the ones that matter and Paizo don’t discuss them publicly.
I genuinely don't know what you're suggesting here.

That’s fine. You’re allowed to not know, that doesn’t change the fact there’s a reason. (Or at least was - this discussion happened years ago. Who knows how acrobat has changed over the years?)

The point is there are some measures Paizo utilise (not “Paizo specific” - is that really the most charitable reading you could come up with? *roll*) which are undermined by allowing greater access and which can’t be switched off independently.

This wasn’t in response to the person struggling to extract images - that’s clearly a glitch. It was in response to “what do you mean it’s not toggleable? I’ve seen it be toggled”.


Pathfinder Adventure, Adventure Path, Lost Omens, Maps, PF Special Edition, Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Maps, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

I can confirm that I'm able to highlight on the latest version of Adobe Acrobat as well without needing the edit password to unlock the PDF (tested on Ancestry Guide).

I refute Zapp's statement that you shouldn't install security updates. You absolutely should; PDF is a complicated file format, and if you are running unpatched software and open a malicious PDF, it can take over your computer (installing malware or ransomware, joining you to a botnet, etc.). If you don't like what Adobe has done with recent editions of their Reader, use a different PDF solution such as the PDF reader built into your web browser or another program such as Foxit suggested above instead of running unpatched old versions.

Liberty's Edge

Adobe Acrobat would allow. Adobe Reader may not. Also, there are many versions of both out right now. That will complicate how the high lighting issue without necessary being a "pirate" copy.


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I’m sorry you didn’t understand. I don’t claim hidden knowledge.
I know nothing about IT - I just listened to the experts when they discussed it publicly here on the forums years ago. I thought you might be interested.


This post here is rather dated, but I think that still holds true.

If you look around in the posts of Vic Wertz, I'm sure this topic has come up time and again.


Thank you.

Please accept my apologies Steve Geddes, and thank you to Franz Lunzer for your illuminating link.

You just wanted to say "there are certain actions PDF files cannot allow without unlocking said PDFs".

That's entirely fair.


Sadly, the staff don't engage as much on the forums as they used to, but when they do they are extremely transparent and open about how things work.

Vic in particular has provided a treasure trove of insights over the years about how RPG publishing works in general and how Paizo have arrived at many of the decisions they have.

Liberty's Edge

That is definitely true, the Paizo staff doesn’t engage on the forums nearly as often as they used to.


They don't get treated very well in a bunch of cases when they do engage.


Related to this, I can highlight/comment on PDFs on my laptop, but not on my Ipad. Importantly, this is only with PDFs starting from about a year ago. No problem with older pdfs. Looking at Adobe, it says that the new PDFs I have issues with are locked (older are not), but I am still listed as having permission to highlight them. Again, I can highlight on my laptop but on an Ipad I get the warning mentioned earlier that "Without the owner password, you do not have permission to save this document". I contacted Paizo customer support and they suggested I try the messageboards. Any suggestions? Moulson, is your issue also only on tablets? Have you tried on a laptop?

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