Crafting smaller capacity Handy Haversack items?

[Bram Hart]

A regular Handy Haversack costs 2000gp and gives you 12 cubic feet of storage or 120 pounds in weight. A lower level item with similar qualities as one side-pouch would be super useful, it would hold two cubic feet and max 20 pounds, interior size is the same as a regular backpack.

I imagine this item as Belt or Bandolier that has one or maybe two leather pouches on the side, with one or two extra-dimensional spaces. If we simply divide by 10 it would cost 200 to buy and 100 to create. Well within reason for any adventurer just starting out (lvl 2-3).

Can you imagine being in a fight or crawling through a dungeon with 20 plus pounds strapped to your back? That's exhausting!

Why is this not a thing? The rules of Supply and Demand almost require such an item to exist.

[Smoke & Mirrors]

ah... you mean like the Pathfinder Pouch?

10 lbs. and 2 cubic feet...

Though the cost is 1,000 gp.

then there is the Minor Bag of Holding, (also 1000 gp) which hold 50 lbs or 6 cubic feet.

[OmniMage]

I did a quick search and it seems the cheapest any permanent wondrous item gets is about 1000 gp. You might be asking for too much.

[Bram Hart]

I am not sure if I am asking for anything, just wondering why this does not exist?

I mean, from an IC perspective it seems like this would be a no-brainer.

Is there a balance reason not to do this?

[Firebug]

I've got a houseruled item, simply 'coin pouch' for 1000 gp in 3.5.

If you actually deal with 50 coins = 1 pound and random treasure tables, you can get rolls of tens of thousands of copper pieces (200 lbs copper per 10k coin). Capacity is any amount of coin, but nothing else. Can convert coins to other coins(or currency, say d20 modern) at a 1:9 ratio(so 10% less efficiently then standard). Can be upgraded to convert gems (+500 gp), better ratio 95% (+1000 gp), or registered to a bank (increases efficiency to 95% for free, only you can withdraw from the coin pouch/bank everyone else its empty, but the tax collector gets your records), or trapped (varies by trap).

But yeah, Pathfinder Pouch, and Minor Bag of Holding upthread. Polymorphic Pouch is also a small bag of holding, but more expensive because it has extra features. Smuggler's Wayfinder is half the space, but the space is concealable. Apparently a similar idea as my registered coin pouch is the Bag of Concealment as well.

[Diego Rossi]

Bram Hart wrote:

I am not sure if I am asking for anything, just wondering why this does not exist?

I mean, from an IC perspective it seems like this would be a no-brainer.

Is there a balance reason not to do this?

It is not a balance reason, it is a copyright reason.

Several versions of it were printed in WoTC products that aren't covered by the open-source license.

1st and 2nd edition AD&D had a wondrous belt with 8 visible pockets, in reality, every pocket was 8 small dimensional spaces, and you could access the pocket you wanted with ease. Very hand in those editions, where you needed to keep your spell components well separated and there wasn't a handy spell component pouch capable to contain every spell component you need.
An upgraded version even had a special pocket for the wizard familiar, with the best ambient for it to feel comfortable.

[Bob Bob Bob]

Bram Hart wrote:

I am not sure if I am asking for anything, just wondering why this does not exist?

I mean, from an IC perspective it seems like this would be a no-brainer.

Is there a balance reason not to do this?

Third party definitely has items like this: Pocket of Holding. And Paizo has made cheaper versions (Pathfinder Pouch). In this specific case I would say it's more of a world-building thing than a balance thing. Masterwork backpacks are 50 gp and add a variable number to carrying capacity (usually ~3-4 lbs). So it doesn't seem to be a price thing. Therefore the best explanation I can come up with is that Paizo doesn't want super cheap permanent magic items, especially ones that everyone would use. As you say, everyone should have one. A basic level 1 NPC has 260 gp. Every commoner should have one of these. At which point your world is filled with magic (well, one very specific magic). If that's not what you want...

[avr]

Bags of holding and similar scale in interesting ways, but about the only thing you can say for sure is that the scaling of cost for capacity isn't linear. And the handy haversack whatever-you-want's-on-top ability is probably a fee of a few hundred on top of the actual extradimensional storage.

[gnoams]

Another good one is the Black Marketeer's Bag which is a more expensive handy haversack that is much smaller (but holds the same amount), radiates no magic, has hidden compartments, and compels would be thieves to give you stuff if they try to steal from you.

[Bram Hart]

Cheers you all, makes sense to limit items like this I guess.

[Ghostwheel]

One of my players crafted a scroll case (can grab one specific scroll per round as free action), and I created a home-brewed bandolier (grab one of 24 small items as a free action). I priced both the same as an efficient quiver. I am pretty sure that Paizo has a similar bandolier, somewhere....

[OmniMage]

Ghostwheel wrote:

I am pretty sure that Paizo has a similar bandolier, somewhere....

Does any of these meet your needs?

Bandolier, Beneficial

Endless Bandolier

Pickpocket's Bandolier

I haven't found many options for scroll cases. There is one allow you to store up to 5 scrolls, but thats much fewer than I want.

I did find something in the Magic Item Compendium (DND 3.5) which allowed you to store up to 50 scrolls and remove them as a move action. Its named Infinite Scrollcase, which is not very infinite with its limit of 50 scrolls. Getting a scroll from a Handy Haversack is also a move option, so no improvement there.

Insightful Scroll Case