You enter a specialized stance for a unique martial art centered around the use of a bow. While in this stance, the only Strikes you can make are those using longbows, shortbows, or bows with the monk trait. You can use Flurry of Blows with these bows. You can use your other monk feats or monk abilities that normally require unarmed attacks with these bows when attacking within half the first range increment (normally 50 feet for a longbow and 30 feet for a shortbow), so long as the feat or ability doesn't require a single, specific Strike.
Question: How does the last line (in bold) impact some of these monk abilities, like one-inch punch, disrupt Ki, etc?
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The single specific strike in this case means Tiger Claw, Crane Wing, Cobra Fang, etc. As long as it mentions "unarmed strike", the Monastic Archer works, if it mentions one of the attacks on the table, then it doesn't work: http://2e.aonprd.com/Feats.aspx?Traits=112
The single specific strike in this case means Tiger Claw, Crane Wing, Cobra Fang, etc. As long as it mentions "unarmed strike", the Monastic Archer works, if it mentions one of the attacks on the table, then it doesn't work: http://2e.aonprd.com/Feats.aspx?Traits=112
But we can’t be in both those stances so we are automatically restricted from these strikes and the wording is different than Monastic Weaponry.
Thoughts?
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The single specific strike in this case means Tiger Claw, Crane Wing, Cobra Fang, etc. As long as it mentions "unarmed strike", the Monastic Archer works, if it mentions one of the attacks on the table, then it doesn't work: http://2e.aonprd.com/Feats.aspx?Traits=112But we can’t be in both those stances so we are automatically restricted from these strikes and the wording is different than Monastic Weaponry.
Thoughts?
My thought is that Lightning Raven is 100% correct, it's wording to make it clear you can't use Stance-specific Strikes whilst under the effect of something like Fuse Stance.
I hear what you all are saying and you may be correct. But, many of the feats, even with Fuse Stance, would still be not allowed if both feats have ...only Strikes you can make are.... It’s an odd way of creating a limitation for just a 20th level feat. It’s not like we can use tiger stance and make claw strikes with the bo staff. And without adding words like, stance , to what’s written, it doesn’t necessarily specify stances just feats and abilities that doesn’t require a single, specific strikes . How do we square that text with what’s been just suggested and attacks that are single, specific strikes like one-inch punch, disrupt Ki, etcetera.
One-inch punch mentions making an unarmed Strike. This seems generic to me, not specific.
Same for Disrupt ki.
I like what you said. Ex “the only Strikes you can make are crane wing attacks” are strikes that have a specific name associated with, making it unique. Interesting argument.
I hear what you all are saying and you may be correct. But, many of the feats, even with Fuse Stance, would still be not allowed if both feats have ...only Strikes you can make are.... It’s an odd way of creating a limitation for just a 20th level feat. It’s not like we can use tiger stance and make claw strikes with the bo staff. And without adding words like, stance , to what’s written, it doesn’t necessarily specify stances just feats and abilities that doesn’t require a single, specific strikes . How do we square that text with what’s been just suggested and attacks that are single, specific strikes like one-inch punch, disrupt Ki, etcetera.
There's something you're missing. Only some stances lock you in on specific types of attacks. Mountain, Crane, Monastic Archer, Gorilla, Rain of Embers, Stumbling, Cobra and Peafowl are the stances that lock you into specific attacks, which means that they can't be combined with Fuse Stance, all the other stances allow you to make their attacks but you're free to use others, thus allowing you to fuse them with Monastic Archer and gain their passive benefits while doing so.
Thank you all for your input. To sum up, the consensus is that one-inch punch and it’s like, are not considered a single, specific strike , and can thus be used with Monastic Archer Stance. Correct?
One inch punch works fine with Monastic Archer stance.
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Monastic Weaponry is more clear: "You can use melee monk weapons with any of your monk feats or monk abilities that normally require unarmed attacks, though not if the feat or ability requires you to use a single specific type of attack, such as Crane Stance."
So it's only stances special attacks that are forbidden.
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You also couldn't, say, use a jaws strike you got from an ancestry feat. Basically, think of unique unarmed strikes as things you'd write on your character sheet as though they are weapons.