Updating the PF2e CRB Hardcover 1st printing

[The Only Sheet]

As a 3rd party publisher, I've had an idea... but don't have the time nor resource to allocate for it. A quick search did not find any, so I am assuming this does not exists at this point.

So I'm sharing this idea here in the hopes that another 3rd party publisher wishes to RUN with it! (All I ask if that you credit TheOnlySheet.com for the idea AND send me a free copy!! If you do, I'll gift you with an Ad for your product in my next Newsletter!!)

IDEA:
I have the hardcover Core Rulebook for PF2 (the first printing). What would be VERY VERY useful, is if I could UPDATE it with the Erratas that came out. It would really be COOL if I could get little stickers to place all over the book, near the rules that needs to be 'errataed'!! They woul dhave to 'fit' where they need to fit (either by overwriting an existing rule, of expanding on it - I presume that some stickers would NOT be square, but have a shape made to fit!

Obviously, these stickers would have the corrected rules on them and be in a similar text size as the CRB...! (with a different font from Paizo to avoid copyrights issue and use good glue that won't dry out after a couple of months!)

AND in time, you could cover OTHER rulebooks... :)

Sounds like something your Company could handle?
Have Fun and please send me a copy! HEHHE

TOS Admin
TheOnlySheet.com
P.S. If this is something YOU would be interested in, let your voice be heard below to show interest for this!! Perhaps a 3rd party publisher will take on this idea!

[EliH_14]

I've definitely thought the same thing- I'm fairly certain this is pretty standard practice with other RPGs. I'm actually surprised Paizo hasn't looked into it yet. I'm sure people would pay a few bucks for updated rule stickers.

[CrystalSeas]

Having printed out the errata, cut it to size, and taped it into the physical pages of my CRB, I can tell you with certainty that it is physically impossible to use stickers to add in the new material.

In quite a few cases, there are entire paragraphs that are added to a page, and there's no way to place the new information that doesn't block some of the original information that is still accurate and relevant.

[Ravingdork]

As a professional graphic designer who is accustomed to working with layouts, this thread just makes me facepalm.

(For the reason CrystalSeas mentioned.)

[profounddark]

Ravingdork wrote:

As a professional graphic designer who is accustomed to working with layouts, this thread just makes me facepalm.

(For the reason CrystalSeas mentioned.)

I used to laugh at games like Starfleet Battles that published rulebooks in technical formats (i.e., section 1.1, section 2.3) but part of me laments that I can't just tear out the two offending pages of my Pathfinder Core Rulebook and replace them with errata...

[Plane]

Ravingdork wrote:

As a professional graphic designer who is accustomed to working with layouts, this thread just makes me facepalm.

(For the reason CrystalSeas mentioned.)

What layout software is your preference for things like P2 books?

[Ravingdork]

Plane wrote:

Ravingdork wrote:

As a professional graphic designer who is accustomed to working with layouts, this thread just makes me facepalm.

(For the reason CrystalSeas mentioned.)

What layout software is your preference for things like P2 books?

I was trained in, and am primarily accustomed to using, the Adobe Creative Suite. Last I checked, it was the industry standard. For a layout project like these roleplaying books, I'd be using Adobe InDesign specifically.

[Ched Greyfell]

So. Much. Work.

[The Only Sheet]

Impossible? A little imagination is all that is required to bypass any 'impossible' aspect you might think of. Feel free to think OUT OF THE BOX...!

One simple solution for when the updated text is larger than available space is to have a sticker with only the top (or side, it's irrelevant) half-inch with glue; The sticker can then be longer/larger to accommodate the extra text.

To access the other text below, just lift the sticker up to 'unhide' it.

Of course it is work, like any other product you create and sell.

TOS Admin
TheOnlySheet.com

[Ched Greyfell]

I'm just saying. The amount of time spent on this could be spent.. putting 1 or 2 hours of overtime at work. Which could pay for a 2nd printing. Less if you got the softcover.
I guess I just don't get it.

[BishopMcQ]

Non-standard die cuts would likely have to be made. Depending on the exact shape these could be rather expensive and single use. (How often are you going to need 3 square edges and a cut out around a halfling bartender with tray?) Last I checked, custom cutout stickers are not cost effective in mass production if the cuts need to change frequently.

This could possibly be overcome by printing squared off stickers on clear, with an opaque background to cover text. Then you are just changing the print area of opacity vs clear to see artwork.

The other problem with stickers is that they thicken the book. One or two stickers you may not notice, but to test it out take an old spiral notebook and a few sheets of mailing labels. Place the labels throughout the spiral as if covering over text. You will notice that the repeated thickness will begin to make the book thicker. This places additional stress on the binding and make it so the book does not fit on the shelf as well.

Solutions:
Spiral bound books - depending on the extent of the errata, remove the spiral, print and replace the errant sheets, rebind. Problems here - most consumers don't have a spiral punch so the pages would have to be pre-punched to match the others. Spirals will shorten with each clip/removal/rebind and so spirals will need to be sold separately to allow for replacement as they age. Pages also tear free of spirals so consumers will need the ability to replace damaged pages over time.

Digital Files - Similar to the PDFs that we have now, include a markup layer to notate when text was changed between printings to allow for clarification. Problems here - technology problems between different readers may prevent layers from working properly. Some cost involved in layout effort though it should be minimal as all information currently exists.

Errata book - print full pages and bind as separate reference book. Include CIA approved redaction device, for redacting original text to clue readers in that they need to reference the errata. Problems here - Consumers may not wish to pay for separate product, so reference should be available digitally. Thematic fit between government espionage and a high fantasy RPG is questionable.