| VoodistMonk |
Dark Lurker UnRogue would continue the Blind Fight stuffs... but then you're a Rogue, making you less useful than the blind, deaf, mute Bard you are now...
Something with an Animal Companion, or a Familiar would be helpful. Might be necessary to make the character playable.
What's the idiot Barbarian archetype that doesn't understand words?
| TheMonkeyFish |
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VoodistMonk - I actually love that idea... An Egotist Familiar seems all too perfect for this type of character. Imagine a Parrot named Iago sitting on the shoulder of what essentially is a comatose caster.
So either House of the Green Mother's Pupil or Eldritch Heritage (Arcane). I'm thinking HotGMP is the better option because it is level 1, and you can later get the Egotist Archetype with Improved Familiar Bond.
Race: Human (Blind, Deaf, and Mute... I think we need an extra feat).
Level 1: Oracle
- Trait 1: Blinded Zeal
- Trait 2: House of the Green Mother's Pupil
- Feat 1: Familiar Bond
- Feat 2: ???
Level 2: Bard (Mute Musician Archetype)
Level 3: Improved Familiar Bond
(If Iron Will is required for Improved Familiar Bond, then we trade House of the Green Mother's Pupil for a different trait and another).
God... I can't believe I'm seriously contemplating playing a Blind, Deaf, and Mute character...
| David knott 242 |
If you are trying to make a useless 2nd level character, you could try making the two class levels work against each other. For example, at 1st level you focus your character on gaining protection from heavy armor, then take a level of monk as your 2nd character level. No matter how you play the character afterwards, one of those levels will be all but useless.
| Mark Hoover 330 |
If you're instead trying to make this character MORE useful, right now you have a blind/deaf/mute spellcaster with an open slot. Why not Silent Spell metamagic? As they level, take a few spells with a +1 level shift they can cast silently and just chill while buffing their Familiar who in turn does everything?
| TheMonkeyFish |
@Oli Ironbar - I've got to agree with you on this statement, this was more of a joke thread anyway until I started actually building the character. Sadly, it seems I won't be able to play Blind because Blind Zeal is a religious trait and Divine Expression is a religious feat... So, I'm thinking Deaf/Clouded Vision Curse Oracle + Mute Musician Bard.
@gnoams - *Yoinks this idea for my Cavalier*
@David knott 242 - It was less a "how to build a useless level 2 character", and more "So... this character is Deaf, Blind, and Mute. Lol"
@Mark Hoover 330 - Because Deaf Oracles cast spells as if they were affected by the Silent Spell Metamagic without increasing their Spell Level. Otherwise, that would of been a great suggestion. :P
@AM NOT HELPING 330 - Lol
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I've found out that Familiar Bond Familiars can take the Ambassador Archetype. I won't be able to take the Eagotist archetype until much later, but I think I'll do House of the Green Mother's Pupil trait and Familiar Bond for a Thrush that uses its familiar bond to communicate to the rest of the party.
That leaves 1 trait and 1 feat (or alternate racial trait, or no feat if non-human). Maybe Life Oracle, Selective Channel, and level 3 take Divine Expression?
| Wonderstell |
-Securing outside stimulus
One of the bigger problems you'll face is that your character has no idea what's going on. Even if their familiar can communicate with the rest of the party, the familiar is unable to communicate with its master. If this can be solved with a touch-based "sign" language is up to your GM. Otherwise you'd have to get an Eidolon or Phantom for an early-game solution.
-Communicating with others
If you can communicate with the familiar then it can relay your thoughts to the party. Another option is to take the Gesture Expertise trait so that you can communicate at others, and your familiar relays their responses to you.
-Keeping your dex-to-AC
Blind-Fight helps with melee but it's a lot safer to get Uncanny Dodge. An Infiltrator familiar qualifies for the Uncanny Ally feat at level 1, which grants Uncanny Dodge to adjacent allies (and Imp Uncanny Dodge to you). As a vermin familiar gets a new feat when it loses the mindless trait that's probably the most straightforward choice.
-Dealing with the surprise round
As you're always unaware of opponents every combat should technically start with a surprise round. If you get an ability to always act in the surprise round I suppose they would cancel each other out, but it's also possible to "weaponize" this weakness. If you cast Shared Training at your allies to grant them Lookout then you could use this guaranteed surprise round to make your allies get a full turn's worth of actions when the enemy is stuck with the reduced amount of actions.
| VoodistMonk |
1. Bard
2. Oracle
3-4. Barbarian
Helps pick up some BAB, and Fort save... a little HP, too. Rage, and a Rage Power. And, most importantly, True Primitive adds Illiteracy. Lol.
Since you are a Merfolk, you can make that level of Oracle be the Ocean's Echo archetype. This will line up well with the Bard stuff. Was this character not a Merfolk? Probably should be... in the name of being useless, your character didn't even show up with legs.
Now, where do you go after this? I don't know... you cannot take Blinded Blade Style until you have 5 ranks in Perception. Back into Oracle? Back into Bard? No... since we started with Bard, we will have 5 ranks in Knowledge Arcana, and you know what that means...
Level 5 we go into Dragon Disciple!
Nothing is more useless than a Dragon Disciple. I'm kidding, you could always be a rogue. Lol. But anyways, the idea is to get Blinded Master as soon as you can. Probably use Combat Reflexes and a Longspeae... pick up Flagbearer/Banner of Ancient Kings if you can. Still completely useless, but that's the point, right?
If you go for all 10 levels in Dragon Disciple you will cast as a 8th level Bard... that only NÈEDS a 13(?) Charisma. And you get boosts to Strength, so you can use your points for a decent Dex and Wisdom. Dexterity for AC and AoO. Wisdom for Perception... your only ability to interact with what's around you.
You can always fly into a blind rage...
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1. Bard
2. Oracle
3-4. BarbarianHelps pick up some BAB, and Fort save... a little HP, too. Rage, and a Rage Power. And, most importantly, True Primitive adds Illiteracy. Lol.
Since you are a Merfolk, you can make that level of Oracle be the Ocean's Echo archetype. This will line up well with the Bard stuff. Was this character not a Merfolk? Probably should be... in the name of being useless, your character didn't even show up with legs.
Now, where do you go after this? I don't know... you cannot take Blinded Blade Style until you have 5 ranks in Perception. Back into Oracle? Back into Bard? No... since we started with Bard, we will have 5 ranks in Knowledge Arcana, and you know what that means...
Level 5 we go into Dragon Disciple!
Nothing is more useless than a Dragon Disciple. I'm kidding, you could always be a rogue. Lol. But anyways, the idea is to get Blinded Master as soon as you can. Probably use Combat Reflexes and a Longspeae... pick up Flagbearer/Banner of Ancient Kings if you can. Still completely useless, but that's the point, right?
you gotta take DD at 6, you dont have 5 ranks in a skill untill AFTER you've already picked a class and got the skill points
| TheMonkeyFish |
@VoodistMonk - Classes are selected before Skills and Feats are assigned, so you can't qualify for Dragon Disciple until level 6 at the earliest. Hence why you normally go Sorcerer 1/Martial 4/Dragon Disciple X. That being said, I don't think I'll be pushing this character into Melee. Also, I kind of like the idea of reading braille and performing sign language. Lol
@Wonderstell - Interesting inputs... Still trying to determine if Eye Of The Green Mother's Pupil counts as Iron Will for Improved Familiar Bond or not. I kind of hope yes, otherwise level 2 is going to be a rough time to play... If yes; Level 1 will have Familiar Bond and Improved Familiar Bond. If no; Level 1 will have Skill Focus and Level 3 will have Eldritch Heritage (Arcane).
Unfortunately, Blinded Zeal isn't comparable for this build because of the religious requirements. So this build is going to instead be Clouded Vision + Deaf Duel Cursed Oracle with Mute Musician.
-Securing outside stimulus: Most of this should be dealt with by Empathic Link from the Familiar I'm going to grab (i.e.: Giving the feeling of danger or safety or stuff like that).
-Communicating with others: Same as above, generally a "He is feeling - [fill in the blank]". Most likely, the RP will all be revolved around the Familiar rather than my character... lol
-Keeping your dex-to-AC: That would be a good suggestion but I'm not sure how PFS handles Familiars and Feats. Considering I'm stuck to Raven or Thrush as my familiar for Communication.
-Dealing with the surprise round: Never thought of that, I'll look into this more.
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Pretty sure you can enter the moment you meet the prerequisites... like a Fighter taking a BAB +6 feat AT level six...
Blinded Blade Style can be taken at level 5, the moment you have 5 ranks in Perception.
from srd:
When adding new levels of an existing class or adding levels of a new class, make sure to take the following steps in order.First, select your new class level. You must be able to qualify for this level before any of the following adjustments are made.
Second, apply any ability score increases due to gaining a level.
Third, integrate all of the level’s class abilities and then roll for additional hit points.
Finally, add new skills and feats. For more information on when you gain new feats and ability score increases
you don't get to have 5 ranks in a skill until AFTER you picked a class that you already qualify for. you dont get skill points in a class BEFORE picking it. Must have 5 ranks in a skill BEFORE taking levels in the class
| Wonderstell |
Unfortunately, Blinded Zeal isn't comparable for this build because of the religious requirements. So this build is going to instead be Clouded Vision + Deaf Duel Cursed Oracle with Mute Musician.
Clouded Vision would make it a lot easier than straight blindness, but I'm not seeing why you want Divine Expression that badly. It's not like it increases your actual bard level for the purpose of performances.
-Securing outside stimulus: Most of this should be dealt with by Empathic Link from the Familiar I'm going to grab (i.e.: Giving the feeling of danger or safety or stuff like that).
Right, right. But how do you decide which spell to use when you get the feeling of danger? Or are you supposed to run away from the threat? And in what direction?
-Keeping your dex-to-AC: That would be a good suggestion but I'm not sure how PFS handles Familiars and Feats. Considering I'm stuck to Raven or Thrush as my familiar for Communication.
Ooooohh... Society play. Yeah, pretty sure they only allow you to take those familiar-specific feats. The easiest solution for Uncanny Dodge was to take the Powerless Prophecy but the penalty was too harsh since you'll end up in a lot of surprise rounds.
| TheMonkeyFish |
The main reason I wanted Divine Expression was to lower the time it takes to activate Bardic Performance and the number of rounds. It'ed be nice to get more rounds of performance since I have a 20% chance of failing. Lol
Good point about that... There is a telepathic option, but that comes online at level 5 at the earliest.
Powerless Prophecy isn't too bad, but ultimately depends on the DM. Ranged Attacks suck, but if I do have Blind Zeal, then at least I am save from Melee attacks. lol
| VoodistMonk |
Two levels of True Primitive Barbarian gives you Uncanny Dodge, and more importantly, the opportunity to grab the Moment of Clarity Rage Power... thus qualifying for Rage Prophet. And what's more useless than a Rage Prophet? Lol.
A blind, deaf, illiterate, mute Rage Prophet...
I still think the Merfolk Ocean's Echo archetype would do good. There's no real reason it couldn't work with the Dual Cursed archetype. It works well with the level of Bard and Divine Expression to continue the whole Bard thing. Plus, you don't have legs!
A blind, deaf, illiterate, mute Rage Prophet WITH NO LEGS!!!
| VoodistMonk |
VoodistMonk wrote:A blind, deaf, illiterate, mute Rage Prophet WITH NO LEGS!!!And 2 curses!
However, I would absolutely be inspired by a blind, deaf, illiterate, mute mermaid flopping around the battlefield... if they can be out here fighting, so can I!
And thus, their purpose and place as a Bard is functional.
Flagbearer and the Banner of Ancient Kings would be nice to raise effective levels for Inspire Courage, as well as a small constant buff.
Stupid floppy mermaid, you inspire me so...
| TheMonkeyFish |
@VooistMonk - I mean... if we went with the idea of picking incomparable classes archetypes as useless, then Mute Musician and Ocean's Echo would be a great combo; Although this general idea was already suggested by David knott 242. (Mute Musician specifically states you can't use Perform Sing, and Ocean's Echo only works with Perform Sing; ala "you could try making the two class levels work against each other").