Summoner and Confusion

[Falgaia]

Before I finish my writeup for PFS 1-25, this came up during the session and I needed to ask the question immediately.

How does this work?

One of my Eidolons gets confused for 1 minute during a fight due to a crit-failed Will save.

1. Does the Confusion also affect the Summoner? (I'm assuming yes?)
2. Does the Summoner still Act Together? (I'm assuming no?)
3. How do you determine if the Eidolon or the Summoner acts during confusion with their shared action pool? Do you roll to determine who goes for each action or once for the whole set?? (I HAVE NO IDEA?)
4. Should I be punching my Eidolon? (I'm assuming yes?)

Please include this as an example of the shared action pool in the final release, or at least explain how the Eidolon action sharing and Confusion interact. Please spare others from the feeling of existential terror I experienced as the realization of what had just happened set in.

[Verzen]

Yes. The Summoner is also confused.

[CrimsonKnight]

Falgaia wrote:

Before I finish my writeup for PFS 1-25, this came up during the session and I needed to ask the question immediately.

How does this work?

One of my Eidolons gets confused for 1 minute during a fight due to a crit-failed Will save.

1. Does the Confusion also affect the Summoner? (I'm assuming yes?)
2. Does the Summoner still Act Together? (I'm assuming no?)
3. How do you determine if the Eidolon or the Summoner acts during confusion with their shared action pool? Do you roll to determine who goes for each action or once for the whole set?? (I HAVE NO IDEA?)
4. Should I be punching my Eidolon? (I'm assuming yes?)

Please include this as an example of the shared action pool in the final release, or at least explain how the Eidolon action sharing and Confusion interact. Please spare others from the feeling of existential terror I experienced as the realization of what had just happened set in.

1. Does the Confusion also affect the Summoner? yes

2. Does the Summoner still Act Together? yes because it facilitate attacks
3. How do you determine if the Eidolon or the Summoner acts during confusion with their shared action pool? what ever is likely to do the most damage. GM can have you use other actions to facilitate attack such as boost. so an example is act together boost/strike followed by electric arc on two of the allies
4. Should I be punching my Eidolon? not unless it would be more damaging than the cantrips or other attacks

[Gortle]

Its not totally straight forward.

The rule is:
"If you or your eidolon is affected by anything that
would change a creature’s actions, it affects your shared
actions. In any case, if you are both subject to the same
effect, you take the effects only once (applying the worse
effect, if applicable)."

The Confusion Spell will only affect the one of you that was targeted, but when you get the Confused Condition from it that will apply to both of you.
The Confused condition does make you take alternate actions. Which comes under the general rule on Eidolons. So in that sense you are both confused.
However working out what you and your eidolon do in this situation is going to require a fair bit of GM interpretation.

[Sedoriku]

Hrmm, would it be broken if things that affected shared actions only were affected if both characters were affected? Of course if a character is affected by something then that should still apply.

For example say the eidolon is slowed 2, then it wouldn't be able to take more than a single action but the summoner could still use the other two? If one is confused, then if it takes an action it has to act as confusion specifies but the other can act normally? Still keeps limitations but gives the class a power boost without needing to change numbers. But I could see that this might be truly overpowered.

[Uchuujin]

Let's look at the flip side of the Slowed condition, quickened. If a haste spell cast on an eidolon also effected the summoner, would each get an extra action to stride or strike, bringing that one player up to 6 actions? (Act together 1 + 1, remaining +2 basic, double quickened +2)

[Dubious Scholar]

As is, slow and haste work fine, they affect your normal action pool. Slowed 2 = 1 action, which you can use to Act Together still, but...

Effects that impact control have no clear rule though unless both the summoner and eidolon are hit with it.

[David knott 242]

The Confused condition also introduces the problem of summoner and eidolon becoming unable to coordinate their actions, unless they are to be treated as the same creature for the purpose of this effect.

The simplest change that could be made to handle such cases would be for summoner and eidolon both to be stunned until they can once again coordinate their actions.

Alternatively, if they are treated as the same creature for such effects, the GM temporarily controlling them could have them gang up on whoever their random target is.