Any weapon that is Finesse-able and Reach, or able to be made that way other than Elven Branched Spear?


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I'm playing a more martial focused Bard using Path of War and our group is using feat tax removal. I wanted to grab a reach weapon to stay behind the front line and still actually be able to hit things. Path of War/Psionics is the only allowed 3rd party stuff for this campaign. GM is 'allowing' Spheres of Might/Power, but with a normal campaign and Psionics on the table, there isn't much of a reason to use these.

Is there anything with a single feat can be reach and finesse-able? I know Path of War has Polearm Dancer which can user Spears or Polearms with weapon finesse, but with the Bard's Proficiency, that gives us the Boarding Pike or Longspear. The Elven Branched Spear can be got with Exotic Weapon Proficiency, but isn't actually better than the Boarding Pike or Long Spear. The only difference is the +2 to AoO on the Branched Spear.


Bards are proficient in whips, you'd probably want to invest in some feats for that route. Glaives are finnessable with bladed brush, but that would be more feats to get going. I believe there are finnessable, reach monk weapons, but again, more feasts.


Lunge makes any weapon one that you can strike from the back lines with. Or, you know, there are missile weapons.


If you take Spear Dancing Style Feats, any pole arm can be Finesseable and have Reach in addition to being Double: the butt-end being treated as a Light Mace.

I've been fooling around with making a Spear Dancing Style character that uses a Halberd, already a Piercing/Slashing weapon that is Tripping and Brace, so then it will be a Piercing, Slashing, Bludgeoning, Tripping, Brace, Finesseable, Double, Reach weapon!


Is Effortless Lace an option? If so, put it on a Gnome Flickmace.

Shadow Lodge

With fighter's finesse advanced weapon training you can finesse any weapon in the game. Need to be at least a 5th level fighter for that though.


Scott Wilhelm wrote:

If you take Spear Dancing Style Feats, any pole arm can be Finesseable and have Reach in addition to being Double: the butt-end being treated as a Light Mace.

I've been fooling around with making a Spear Dancing Style character that uses a Halberd, already a Piercing/Slashing weapon that is Tripping and Brace, so then it will be a Piercing, Slashing, Bludgeoning, Tripping, Brace, Finesseable, Double, Reach weapon!

I thought Spear Dancing Style made Brace (and Reach, except during your turn when you Full Attack) go away?


Ilthurin wrote:
Scott Wilhelm wrote:

If you take Spear Dancing Style Feats, any pole arm can be Finesseable and have Reach in addition to being Double: the butt-end being treated as a Light Mace.

I've been fooling around with making a Spear Dancing Style character that uses a Halberd, already a Piercing/Slashing weapon that is Tripping and Brace, so then it will be a Piercing, Slashing, Bludgeoning, Tripping, Brace, Finesseable, Double, Reach weapon!

I thought Spear Dancing Style made Brace (and Reach, except during your turn when you Full Attack) go away?

It does at first and then three feats deep it gives it back


Ryan Freire wrote:
Ilthurin wrote:
Scott Wilhelm wrote:

If you take Spear Dancing Style Feats, any pole arm can be Finesseable and have Reach in addition to being Double: the butt-end being treated as a Light Mace.

I've been fooling around with making a Spear Dancing Style character that uses a Halberd, already a Piercing/Slashing weapon that is Tripping and Brace, so then it will be a Piercing, Slashing, Bludgeoning, Tripping, Brace, Finesseable, Double, Reach weapon!

I thought Spear Dancing Style made Brace (and Reach, except during your turn when you Full Attack) go away?
It does at first and then three feats deep it gives it back

You're referring to this one, right?

Doesn't that only give you Reach back (so still no Brace?) and then only during your turn when you full attack, so no Reach between turns? (I'm missing something, aren't I?)

Liberty's Edge

Ilthurin wrote:
I thought Spear Dancing Style made Brace (and Reach, except during your turn when you Full Attack) go away?

Nothing 'goes away'. You can still use the spear/polearm with brace and/or reach, just not at the same time that you are using it as a double weapon. As noted, the Spear Dancing Reach feat then eventually allows you to use reach with both ends of the item as a double weapon.

Bracing with both ends of a weapon at the same time doesn't make sense... one end has to be planted in order for the weapon to be braced. As it also delays your standard action until later in your turn there is generally going to be no way to attack on your turn and then brace... so you're only able to attack with one end of the weapon anyway.

That said, you need both Spear Dancing Style and Spear Dancing Spiral in order to treat the chosen spear / polearm type as a finesse weapon.


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CBDunkerson wrote:
Ilthurin wrote:
I thought Spear Dancing Style made Brace (and Reach, except during your turn when you Full Attack) go away?
Nothing 'goes away'. You can still use the spear/polearm with brace and/or reach, just not at the same time that you are using it as a double weapon. As noted, the Spear Dancing Reach feat then eventually allows you to use reach with both ends of the item as a double weapon.

Thanks for the explanation!

That bit about "not at the same time" is what I meant by "goes away" (as in "the qualities are unavailable while the style is in effect"). Poorly worded on my part, definitely.

So I was confused by the original comment. I mistook it as "the weapon has all these qualities at the same time" and that left me wondering if I had misunderstood the rules.

Just to double check, the halberd switches between:
- Style Active: a Piercing, Slashing, Bludgeoning, Tripping, Finesseable, Double weapon that can get Reach during full attacks
- Style Inactive: a Piercing, Slashing, & Tripping weapon with Brace
Is that right?

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