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If they don't list a price in the spell description its assumed they're included in the spell component pouch. going further than that is going to add an unfortunate level of bookkeeping to the game.
In terms of game balance they're not supposed to cost anything.
In terms of realism it's totally up to you, depending on your world.
I'd probably look at knowledge DCs to identify the monster as a guide (10+CR for most monsters, but 5+CR for common monsters or 15+CR for rare monsters). If you want it to be more expensive than that you could multiply the total by 5 or 10 ((10+CR)×5), or just change the "+" into a "×" (10×CR).
This is all totally home-brew and it's making this particular spell less powerful than it would be. Also if he has Eschew Materials he can bypass the whole thing, so ...
I was just curious if anyone else knows of resources to help ascertain prices.
there aren't really any official ones....the trophy ones brush against the edges but thats more like minor magic item creation than spell components. You'll have to homebrew a system if you want that kind of depth.
I suggest don't put price to this material this is something that only cults, academy or similar have.
Because when adventure kill a creature it's take only what have value
I suggest that if he is in an academy the will give to him for free, wandering spellcaster may have and cults like baphoment is to kill and take
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Actually, if you want to make it a thing...make it a focus instead of a material component. Have it be a rune scribed bone from the monster...then you can set a price based on CR or whatever metric, Bookkeeping is limited to a list of forms the character can take, the spell gets less nerfed and you now have minor side quest fodder for daaaaaaaays.
Haha no worries.
I really like Ryan Freire's idea to make them Focus components too. I think combining that with the 50×CR cost (or whatever) makes it fun and thematic without the spell losing it's appeal.
Haha no worries.
I really like Ryan Freire's idea to make them Focus components too. I think combining that with the 50×CR cost (or whatever) makes it fun and thematic without the spell losing it's appeal.
The problem is that if the cost it's 50-100g x cr for this spell I prefer to cast limited wish that only cost a diamond 1500g
Instead put the cost in silver and whit a max of less of 10g
the monsters on his wishlisy are fairly high CR
Let me guess, CR 18, or maybe even CR 27? If they aren't top of the player's wishlist, they should be, as there is nothing that comes even close to them for combat power.
If you want to make higher CRs more expensive, consider a quadratic progression instead of a linear one. Something like 5gp*CR².
The problem is that if the cost it's 50-100g x cr for this spell I prefer to cast limited wish that only cost a diamond 1500g
Limited Wish has a material component, meaning the diamond is gone after use. Ryan Freire and MrCharisma talk about focus components, meaning they're not spend upon casting the spell.
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If they don't list a price in the spell description its assumed they're included in the spell component pouch. going further than that is going to add an unfortunate level of bookkeeping to the game.
And going your route men that we have an unlimited number of pieces of extremely rare creatures in that spellpouch.
I prefer the bookeping.Pieces of a popobala (a CR 15 monstrous humanoid) aren't available at every street corner.
In terms of game balance they're not supposed to cost anything.
I totally disagree, not listing prices because it would require to specify them for every monster ever created, plus every monster a GM could make isn't the same thing as saying that they have a negligible cost.
If you want to make higher CRs more expensive, consider a quadratic progression instead of a linear one. Something like 5gp*CR².
The problem is that if the cost it's 50-100g x cr for this spell I prefer to cast limited wish that only cost a diamond 1500gLimited Wish has a material component, meaning the diamond is gone after use. Ryan Freire and MrCharisma talk about focus components, meaning they're not spend upon casting the spell.
Yeah the actual numbers weren't researched at all, it was just an idea. I do like Derklord's "Xgp*CR²" idea. It follows the same rules for increasingly powerful magic weapons/armour/etc. I don't know exactly what the multiplier would be, but that seems like the best fit.
In terms of game balance they're not supposed to cost anything.I totally disagree, not listing prices because it would require to specify them for every monster ever created, plus every monster a GM could make isn't the same thing as saying that they have a negligible cost.
That's how the rules are written:
Material (M): A material component consists of one or more physical substances or objects that are annihilated by the spell energies in the casting process. Unless a cost is given for a material component, the cost is negligible. Don’t bother to keep track of material components with negligible cost. Assume you have all you need as long as you have your spell component pouch.
Having said that, I don't mind this rule. I really like the Focus Component idea, and having it either cost money or require you to kill one means you can either spend time or money to prepare for the spell.
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Actually, if you want to make it a thing...make it a focus instead of a material component. Have it be a rune scribed bone from the monster...then you can set a price based on CR or whatever metric, Bookkeeping is limited to a list of forms the character can take, the spell gets less nerfed and you now have minor side quest fodder for daaaaaaaays.
We did that with the Robe of components. We said that it was needed to "teach" it once what components are needed for the spells we are capable to cast storing them in the vest while memorizing the spell. Each different form we could get from polymorph spells was treated as a different spell. The component where consumed when used to teach a new spell to the Robe.
The part of put in the material to focus it's not so great because you will put a good spell in constant use and not only monster physique, it's mean that will apply also to form of the dragon undead anatomy and the insect spell
I don’t think cost should be based on CR at all, but on rarity. It’s not like the best choices for polymorph are often the highest CR anyway. You should read the polymorphamory guide.
Right, but the problem with that is there isn't much of a guide for how rare they are, so the GM has to come up with a list of everything, or make an improvised judgement call every time the player wants to Polymorph into something new (and has to remember what calls they made before).
Basing it on CR will give a vaguely balanced cost and gives you a definitive cost that you don't have to look up every time.
Actually, if you want to make it a thing...make it a focus instead of a material component. Have it be a rune scribed bone from the monster...then you can set a price based on CR or whatever metric, Bookkeeping is limited to a list of forms the character can take, the spell gets less nerfed and you now have minor side quest fodder for daaaaaaaays.Consider this idea stolen. I mean, inspiration drawn!
As far as the worry about bookkeeping, we take the approach of asking DM if something vaguely rare/expensive is found in town/city. He was reading up on the spell and its potential uses. He was wondering how he might be able to utilize it in this game, as I have warned them several times that this adventure gets harder and harder. Because we don't play often/long, we tend to handwave minor stuff ("did everyone get their shopping done in Magnimar?") and focus on the core of the adventure. Group is happy, I'm happy, it all works.
It also adds some moral hazard to the spell. Hows the pc going to get a bone from nonevil versions of sentient/intelligent monstrous humanoids. Does their faith permit grave robbing?