How they work Flaming Sphere y el Agresive Thunderclap

[Wulcrath]

Hi Guys

Another question to this old Master, learning pathfinder... The flaming sphere A burning globe of fire rolls in whichever direction you point and burns those it strikes. It moves 30 feet per round. As part of this movement, it can ascend or jump up to 30 feet to strike a target. If it enters a space with a creature, it stops moving for the round and deals 3d6 points of fire damage to that creature, though a successful Reflex save negates that damage. A flaming sphere rolls over barriers less than 4 feet tall. It ignites flammable substances it touches and illuminates the same area as a torch would.

Now if 3 objects are surrounding the are of the flaming sphere, does the 3 objects/target are damaged by the sphere? or it just only the object/target the only one damaged by the sphere, and also the sphere needs to be adjacent to the object/target in order to deal damage or if something move in a square adjacent to the sphere automatically is damaged? even if he just pass by?

[WagnerSika]

No. The sphere only damages the creature it shares the space with. And only if the creature fails the reflex save. Creatures and objects in adjacent squares are not damaged.

[JiaYou]

^-This. The sphere does damage when it enters another creature's space, and it ends its movement entirely when it enters that space. I THINK multiple creatures INSIDE a single 5-foot square (such as Tiny and below creatures) all receive damage, but don't quote me on that.

[avr]

Just the one creature, even in a square with multiple creatures - it specifies 'that creature'.

[vhok]

flaming sphere is an AoE, its a 5foot diameter sphere not a single target spell. it will hit everyone in a square they still each get their own reflex save to avoid it.

flaming sphere vs swarms

[Diego Rossi]

vhok wrote:

flaming sphere is an AoE, its a 5foot diameter sphere not a single target spell. it will hit everyone in a square they still each get their own reflex save to avoid it.

flaming sphere vs swarms

Where does it say that it is an AoE?

Some guys opinion, even if it is JJ opinion don't make a rule. And JJ said that it works against swarms, not that it is an area spell.
Flaming sphere has an Effect, not an Area (both specific terms in Pathfinder).

That notwithstanding, it says "If it enters a space with a creature, it stops moving for the round and deals 3d6 points of fire damage to that creature", so if it enters a space with 3 creatures in it that check is valid for all 3.
For each of them, it has "entered a space with a creature", each of them makes a save, and each of them will take damage if it fails it.

[Lady Asharah]

They don't.

As in they are really poor spells for their levels.

[willuwontu]

Diego Rossi wrote:

vhok wrote:

flaming sphere is an AoE, its a 5foot diameter sphere not a single target spell. it will hit everyone in a square they still each get their own reflex save to avoid it.

flaming sphere vs swarms

Where does it say that it is an AoE?

Some guys opinion, even if it is JJ opinion don't make a rule. And JJ said that it works against swarms, not that it is an area spell.
Flaming sphere has an Effect, not an Area (both specific terms in Pathfinder).

That notwithstanding, it says "If it enters a space with a creature, it stops moving for the round and deals 3d6 points of fire damage to that creature", so if it enters a space with 3 creatures in it that check is valid for all 3.
For each of them, it has "entered a space with a creature", each of them makes a save, and each of them will take damage if it fails it.

I will note, that according to this line of thinking, a creature that remains within the flaming sphere does not take any damage on the next round since the damage is only applied when it enters the space.

[vhok]

Effect 5-ft.-diameter sphere, is not what spells that only target 1 person say. it clearly affects the whole square

[Diego Rossi]

willuwontu wrote:

I will note, that according to this line of thinking, a creature that remains within the flaming sphere does not take any damage on the next round since the damage is only applied when it enters the space.

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The sphere moves as long as you actively direct it (a move action for you); otherwise, it merely stays at rest and burns. It can be extinguished by any means that would put out a normal fire of its size. The surface of the sphere has a spongy, yielding consistency and so does not cause damage except by its flame. It cannot push aside unwilling creatures or batter down large obstacles. A flaming sphere winks out if it exceeds the spell's range.

5' diameter sphere with a spongy consistency. You don't stay "within" it, at most you stay in contact with its surface. And the damage is applied when the sphere enters the creature space. If the creature is solid it has no way to enter the sphere volume (what happens with an incorporeal creature can be an interesting discussion).

To apply damage every round the spere needs to stay in contact, any creature capable to move away, even by a few centimeters will avoid the damage.
If the obstacle is an item that can suffer fire damage and the sphere doesn't move away I would apply it, but RAW it damages only creatures

vhok wrote:

Effect 5-ft.-diameter sphere, is not what spells that only target 1 person say. it clearly affects the whole square

Actually it doesn't target anything, it rolls along and damages a creature if it hit it. The caster doesn't roll an attack roll, nor target a creature, he chooses the path that the sphere will take.

It is a beach ball of flaming material.

An area spell is something specific, and this spell doesn't conform to that definition. So it can affect a square but it isn't an area spell.

Game logic vs RL logic.