I am intending on getting a blinkback belt so i can make use of several different daggers rather than paying for returning on them, but as we all know this blocks the belt slot. So, i was wondering if there were any other items besides snakeskin tunic, tomes or ioun stones, that will give me +4 or more to my dex? or an item that works as well or better than blinkback belt?
It does need to PFS legal unfortunately, feats are neccessarily spoken for, but i have a pretty good idea which i needed to use, (quick draw then combat reflexes then startoss style stuff) Specific dagger is cool, but i ma going to want answering on at least one of them, for parrying riposting when the enemy closes on me.
I might abandon startoss for that 2 feat combo though, i t does seem nifty and could save some $$$
So i would need quick draw, then combat reflexes, then martial focus then riccochet toss... but i could get a blinkback belt much sooner, maybe sell later at 2500g loss? i will play with the build and look. Keep any other ideas coming, these are pretty decent.
I do not think i want to do a double level dip as i really like the swashbuckler as is, and that would slow some things down. (level 11 evasion, uncanny dodge etc) although one level is flurry and quick draw so maybe...
I'm planning on being able to fight up close when neccessary, so i want the skills as the melee swashbuckler, with the versatility and eventually trickery of the throwing daggers.
I was also toying with the potential idea of a few rogue levels for sneak attacks ? not really sold on it though. unchained 2 levels would free me up from needing slashing grace though...
I guess i would lean more towards throwing, but i do plan on putting answering on my daggers so i can parry and riposte if an enemy decides to jump on the thrower thinking ranged target is easier. If i were to add sharding as well, i suppose that could work, but thats a +4 enchanted weapon i wont be able to afford until much later... The character is currently level 1 so i can modify it but for now the stats are 10 20 10 12 7 14 so wisdom bonus doesn't exactly exist lol.
Therefor i would probably need to sty armored, which blocks alot of the monk stuff...
ok so saying i go with 2 levels of the monk as suggested for the three feats, modifying my stats to 7 strength 10 wisdom, since i ma not wearing armor anymore, i can spare the strength, it looks decent, but i am still eating two feats for dex to damage, and having to deal with the blink back belt, or waiting until level 7 for riccochet toss. It also gave me an extra dagger though, which i DO like.
So thoughts? Should i grab the blinkback belt as soon as i can, and sell it when i get riccochet toss to replace with a dexterity belt? Or use the blinkback belt, ignore riccochet toss, continue startoss an originally intended and just suck it up with a +2 dex item? and maybe some cats grace wands from friendly casters
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So here’s a weird suggestion... Monk of the Empty Hand gets to treat weapons as improvised weapons. Gloves of Improvised Might let you enhance improvised weapons. Normally they can affect actual weapons, unless you have a class ability that lets you treat them as improvised.
So for 4,000gp, you can get a +1 with everything that you throw.
You can also flurry to throw two daggers.
You’d arguably have to take Throw Anything with your monk bonus feat, since Monk of the Empty Hand is written weird and doesn’t say it removes penalties for improvised weapons. But you wouldn’t need startoss style. So take Quick Draw at level 1 (and point-blank shot if you’re human, precise are 3rd).
Now you can have your main dagger in one hand. Keep a free hand for all of the swashbuckler stuff. Quick draw as many normal daggers as you want and throw them on rounds when you aren’t in melee. You never need returning or the blink back belt, though getting to +2 or a special ability will cost another 12,000gp.
You’ll deal bludgeoning instead of piercing/slashing and won’t get the 19-20 crit range.
Like I said, it’s an out of the box suggestion. I was going to do something similar for a juggler bard build, but never got around to it.
Monk on a character with a 10 WIS is an odd dip, though.
Resurrecting my own thread here, lets say i took the monk dip for bonus to aves and the fact it gives me 2 feats i want, if i am losing armor anyway due to wisdom bonus, could i not just wear armor, and to hell with the flurry? The feats would still work, the save boosts still work, etc. What would the actual downside be in the case?
This qwould get me quick draw and precise shot at level 2.
(far strike monk idea)
What would the actual downside be in the case?
Loss of 1 BAB (while full-attacking) and delaying swashbuckler class features by 2 levels. Going without armor is not a good idea, so I think forgoing the flurry was the original idea.
What level will this character be played at? The loss of the belt slot might not be a big deal if it's played at the lower end. But throwing builds take a long while to come online, so you may want be a primarily melee combatant that switches to ranged when the opportunity arises.
Quickdraw + Blinkback is enough investment to full-attack foes that aren't threatening any ally, and doesn't leave you too featstarved.
This character is starting at 1 for a kingmaker campaign. I have tweaked stats to 8 20 12 10 8 16. I'm fine with losing the flurry if i have to, i was just wondering what the exact side affects of wearing an armor is, and yes, it will probably a mithril chain shirt that i am intending on wearing. I'm initially imagining at level 1 mostly fighting in melee with my dagger but transitioning into more throwing stuff as i level up, or in tight quarters. Given that there are massive amounts of time going by, id rather not rely on someone casting mage armor at me in the begining of a fight, and instead being armored, as wands would get too pricey to fast. This is why i was wondering, if i took the monk dip for the 2 feats if it would be worth it, considering i would still be wearing armor.
anyone to get dex to damage with the daggers when thrown?
Yeah. Slashing Grace isn't restricted to melee attacks.
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Sadly, the FAQ disagrees:
What exactly does it mean that “You do not gain this benefit while fighting with two weapons or using flurry of blows, or any time another hand is otherwise occupied?” Can I use a shield? What about a buckler? Can I use flurry of blows? Brawler’s flurry? Two-weapon fighting? Spell combat? Attack with natural weapons? What if I throw the weapon? What about swordmaster’s flair?
Slashing Grace does not allow most shields, but bucklers work because they don’t occupy the hand. Flurry of blows, brawler’s flurry, two-weapon fighting, and spell combat all don’t work with Slashing Grace. Attacking with natural weapons beyond the weapon you chose for Slashing Grace also does not work. Slashing Grace only works with melee attacks, not thrown attacks with a melee weapon. Swordmaster’s flair should have a sentence added to it that says “Carrying a swordmaster’s flair counts as having that hand free for the purpose of abilities that require a free hand, though you still can’t hold another object in that hand.”
Sadly, the FAQ disagrees
Aw, that's awful.
I guess the answer is to not dump Strength and then rely on the Precise Strike deed for damage. The Agile enchantment would technically work as there's no FAQ for it, but using the Slashing Grace FAQ as a precedent it's most likely not the intention.
MY gm actually told me yesterday, he will ignore the faq and allow me to do it. So that parts is solved.
So assuming i maintain my dex to damage, and i take the level of monk to shortcut two feats, i can still fight armored. I will "lose" my wis to ac, which is a penalty anyway, and i wont be able to flurry, is that accurate?
1. Flying Blade Swashbuckler, for Weapon Finesse, so you can actually hit stuff.
2. Crusader Cleric, for Weapon Focus, and saves and skills, and Channel.
3-4. Flying Blade Swashbuckler, for Deeds.
5-8. Monk of your choice for Crusader's Flurry, feats and skills and stuffs.
9+ Flying Blade Swashbuckler...
This rounds out your saves and skills, allows you to Flurry with any Monk or UnMonk archetype you want... even Scaled Fist to ride Charisma... gets you a Ki Pool...
It does come with a alignment restriction, though...
interesting... I'll give it a loo, though that build would need to find a way to dex to damage on attacks.
interesting... I'll give it a loo, though that build would need to find a way to dex to damage on attacks.
What? How?
Slashing Grace requires Weapon Finesse and Weapon Focus... both of which you would have, for "free". Take Slashing Grace at level 3.
Crusader's Flurry at level 5 or 7. The beauty of Flurry is it's TWF with one "hand"... still have a free hand to allow Slashing Grace to work... unless I am completely missing something.
Oh, wow... Errata/FAQ's ruin everything fun. Lol.
I had an Inspired Blade Swashbuckler with some Monk levels, but I gave up Flurry for Kata Master-MoMS... Panache with Rapier and Unarmed Strikes, Panther Parry and Crane Riposte fused styles...
I had Fencing Grace and TWF, but didn't quite realize or care that Fencing Grace would have stopped working... I knew I was getting Dex to Damage with unarmed strikes with my Agile AoMF. I could have put Agile on my Rapier/Estoc, and retrained Fencing Grace... just as easily.
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Yeah, Agile is the easiest path for a melee weapon. I have a crusader’s flurry whip wielding Warpriest (dipped unchained monk). I couldn’t get crusader’s flurry until 5th level anyway thanks to the dip and Warpriest not getting channel until then. I used slashing Grace for 3rd and 4th level, then retrained it when I could afford Agile.
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On Variel, TWF was a backup to SpellCombat/SpellStrike once I went Kensai Magus... it was just nice being able to recharge Panache with unarmed strikes and/or the Rapier when TWF.
I very rarely used TWF... it was just nice to have a non-magical equivelant to SpellCombat... like the Flurry I gave up. With Monk's Robes, I had 1D10 unarmed strikes... but that is worth TWF with a Rapier/Estoc! Why not? Cost me nothing other than the typical -2 attack penalty that Flurry already has.
I also took a level of Hooded Champion Ranger to recharge Panache with a bow. Lol.
So Panache and Ki are almost interchangeable, and Ki Arcana makes my Ki Pool and Arcane Pool almost interchangeable... and I recharge Panache with my bow/Estoc/unarmed strikes. I had the Parry & Riposte Deed, Panther Parry & Crane Riposte fused styles. Dex and Wis and Int to AC. TWF, SpellCombat, SpellStrike...
Went multiple levels without being touched, retired him on top. You Panther Parry for a -2, may or may not hit deflect/miss due to Crane Style, may or may not riposte due to Crane Riposte, may or may not actually have to use the Parry & Riposte Deed if they ACTUALLY land something... lol... they never did... layered defenses, son.