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Really good rolls! Except the 4!

I am planning on running a human Lore Oracle. Lvl1 Feats being Noble Scion of War (Cha to Initiative) and Divine Fighting Style Desna (Cha to Hit and damage with Starknife, proficiency via heritage weapon feat). Lvl1 mystery being Sidestep Secret (Cha for AC, Ref and CMD). Curse being lame (-10ft movement, Dex4 represents having a truly messed up leg).

What else could I make? Looking for ways for the 4 to be flavorful, without being mechanically crippling


SAD and MAD are descriptive terms - that is, they explain the dependencies of a build.

They are not prescriptive terms - that is, your character is NOT better just by being SAD.

In this case, there's plenty of viable builds with those stats.

If you want to build a SAD Oracle... Well, what's the difference from playing 15 point buy?

My first question is what type of character you want to play, and let's work from that!


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A chosen one paladin with the 4 in wisdom. Have the familiar always working hard to keep him out of trouble.


Secret Wizard wrote:

SAD and MAD are descriptive terms - that is, they explain the dependencies of a build.

They are not prescriptive terms - that is, your character is NOT better just by being SAD.

In this case, there's plenty of viable builds with those stats.

If you want to build a SAD Oracle... Well, what's the difference from playing 15 point buy?

My first question is what type of character you want to play, and let's work from that!

Don’t quite know yet. I tend to work with the stats and see what jumps out from there. The main thing for me is not having anything glaringly horrific. Such as Cha4 with -3 to all face stats. And while an inquisitor could ignore it all, I’d like to have a reason besides “magic”

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A chosen one paladin with the 4 in wisdom. Have the familiar always working hard to keep him out of trouble.

You know...I like that. That’s a nice character concept. And as a paladin, having a high Cha would certainly offset the low wisdom. Thank you!

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Str 4: Bloatmage Initiate with Magic Trick(Floating Disk), basically embody the Runelord of Sloth. Too lazy to even attempt to walk.
Dex 4: your Sidestep Oracle or Sanguine Angel archer
Con 4: Aim for Juju Zombie(via Mark of the Devoted)/other undead or focus on Possession/Object Possession type casting... A mauler familiar with Mauler's Endurance could actually have almost 2.5x HP then you do. On the plus side... 1 hp per class level minimum, so get that false life going.
Int 4: Human with Skilled or Half-orc with Human-Raised/Skilled, Favored Class Bonus:Skill Points and Cunning to have a decent amount of skill points with a really low Int(since from class its minimum 1, then the others increase).
Wis 4: Paladin option
Cha 4: Any barbarian...


I think DEX 4 is good for any glass cannon caster like Witch - what good is AC/Reflex if you're always having bad AC/Reflex even with 14 or 16?

Plus, you could lean into the whole "hobbled witch" archetype. Maybe with an archetype that allows your peg leg to be your familiar?

A Sensei Monk would work well with STR 4 - your main goal is to use Wisdom to hit to trigger Stunning Fist/Touch of Harmony or to grapple/trip enemies, so damage isn't important. You could be a frail old master!
I think there's a Style that allows you to deal Wisdom based damage with unarmed attacks after you are attacked by an enemy too.


I'm curious about how often the various ability scores tend to take damage. I've come across quite a few abilities that damage Strength, Dexterity, Constitution and Charisma. But abilities that damage intelligence and wisdom seem to be rare in my experiences.

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I had a Kitsune fox shape melee fighter with a low strength (I think 4-6 in the tiny fox shape), and lets just say that Ring of Inner Fortitude was purchased and useful by 12.

As far as how often ability damage/drain comes up... not sure, but Leech Swarm is low CR(4) and damages/drains 3 ability scores without an attack roll and only allows a save for the Dex Drain.
I like my leeches (as a GM) with the Aerial template to keep them relevant at higher tiers.


With those stats I'd go with an empiricist investigator. Put the 4 in Charisma then take the trait "Student of Philosophy" and most of face skills are taken care of.

You could explain the low charisma as being scarred from an alchemy explosion or that he has a strong chemical odor.


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Probably not helpful, but these scores kinda make me want to play a orc-raised half-orc, pre-erratum Scarred Witch Doctor, placing the 4 on Int, and then play the dumbest Witch ever.

Gryshna the stupid Witch: "You ugly, I no want to see you!" *casts Deafness/Blindness to blind the ogre*
Boris the Fighter: "Er, Gryshna, blinding him doesn't make you not see him... and they're calling me stupid!"
Gryshna: "No worry Boris, my spell also work for you, you no need to see him too!"


In terms of pure mechanical cheese - play a Wyrwood (the construct race), and place the 4 in "Constitution"...


Derklord wrote:

Probably not helpful, but these scores kinda make me want to play a orc-raised half-orc, pre-erratum Scarred Witch Doctor, placing the 4 on Int, and then play the dumbest Witch ever.

Gryshna the stupid Witch: "You ugly, I no want to see you!" *casts Deafness/Blindness to blind the ogre*
Boris the Fighter: "Er, Gryshna, blinding him doesn't make you not see him... and they're calling me stupid!"
Gryshna: "No worry Boris, my spell also work for you, you no need to see him too!"

Cool idea, but I feel you could pull off a similar feel with an orc bloodline sorcerer.

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