question about goodberry focus spell for plant druids


Rules Discussion


2 people marked this as a favorite.

So I was looking at making a plant druid and I was reading this spell more and it just seems a bit odd.

Its casting time is 1 hour and you can only have one berry at a time. Given you can recover 1 focus in 10 minutes why even bother having this thing cost focus just make it a druid uncommon ritual. Seems odd that they start with 2 focus but have no effective way of actually using it. At first I thought you could do it in encounter mode which made sense but somebody brought up the cast time on it which makes it kinda odd to picture how it works. Basically whenever a druid has an hour to putter around assume they make one?


I think the reason for the 1 hour casting time is the fact that you can refocus IFF you have spent at least one focus since the last time you refocused. So if it were short, you could cast goodberry, refocus, cast goodberry again, refocus, etc.


1 person marked this as a favorite.

But you can't really do that. The cast time of the spell is 1 hour. Casting a good berry before the last berry expired will cause any previous good berry to go poof so you can only ever have one castings worth at a time. So in theory you could spend an hour create a berry and then eat it and spend another hour and create another one but that kind of begs the question why not just say you take 1 hour and 10 minutes and make it a free cast ritual.


The extra focus is not useable at level 1, but eventually through class feats or multiclassing you can get more powers and then you'll have an early advantage in your pool.


1 person marked this as a favorite.

Goodberry is unlimited healing, so they gave it a downtime to match Treat Wounds. Medicine skill feats have a way to get around that, but Goodberry also starts making more berries. And feeds you.
It's like having Survival & Medicine in one. It's better compared on those terms than with healing spells.
You could have a low Int Druid w/ few skills still cover his Druid bases.

Except you need a freshly picked berry...which when you really need food (desert, arctic, underground), you're unlikely to find. It's a pick for nature campaigns for sure, though I suppose there might be a way to grow a magic bush so you can have berries handy.


1 person marked this as a favorite.

I wonder if there's a kind of Leshy you can get for a familiar which grows berries.


1 person marked this as a favorite.

It is a useful if odd power but I am just confused why they bothered to leave it as a focus spell. The whole focus mechanic seems based on in combat encounter type powers that come back often but everything about goodberry makes that not viable for it.


kaid wrote:
It is a useful if odd power but I am just confused why they bothered to leave it as a focus spell. The whole focus mechanic seems based on in combat encounter type powers that come back often but everything about goodberry makes that not viable for it.

The game is primarily a miniatures combat sim. I'd imagine they'll hit with more utility/non-combat stuff as time goes on.


1 person marked this as a favorite.
PossibleCabbage wrote:
I wonder if there's a kind of Leshy you can get for a familiar which grows berries.

Wildberry Leshy!


With the errata on Goodberry, the druid is way more powerful healer that any cleric!
Cast goodberry as two actions, refocus, cast goodberry, refocus ...
A cleric can heal for 1-8hp three times a day (three first level spells)
A druid with a pocket full of berries can heal 5-10hp every 10 minutes. Which is 30-60hp per hour, 240-480hp in a 8 hour shift. All this at first level.


1 person marked this as a favorite.
Rich Cook wrote:

With the errata on Goodberry, the druid is way more powerful healer that any cleric!

Cast goodberry as two actions, refocus, cast goodberry, refocus ...
A cleric can heal for 1-8hp three times a day (three first level spells)
A druid with a pocket full of berries can heal 5-10hp every 10 minutes. Which is 30-60hp per hour, 240-480hp in a 8 hour shift. All this at first level.

That's 1d8+8 x 3 (the last which can be higher or lower depending on Cha/slots allotted)

Or 1d8 x party x 3 (same caveat on "3")

And the Cleric's doing it in combat, which is significant, especially if they can hurt some undead at the same time.

Too different IMO to make a strong demarcation


1 person marked this as a favorite.
Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber; Pathfinder Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game, Starfinder Society Subscriber

Why are we comparing out of combat healing to anything? Also note Lay on Hands and the medicine skill (and its feats). Being able to get HP back out of combat when there isn't time pressure is kind of the standard expectation that you'll see most parties find a way to meet, not something unique to Goodberry.


1 person marked this as a favorite.

Lay on Hands, Hymn of Healing, Life Boost, Soothing Mist, Goodberry...

Yeah. Focus point healing is very useful. And easy to get.

Community / Forums / Pathfinder / Pathfinder Second Edition / Rules Discussion / question about goodberry focus spell for plant druids All Messageboards

Want to post a reply? Sign in.