Can a Gloomblade with Improvisational focus make shadow improvised weapons??

[Greg Tulips]

A Gloomblade Fighter can create shadowy version of any melee weapon with which he is proficient. The feat Improvisational Focus makes you "considered proficient" with improvised weapons. would this allow the gloomblade to create improvised weapons with this ability?

Relevant rules text:

Gloomblade wrote:

Shadow Weapon (Su): A gloomblade can create a shadowy weapon in a free hand as a move action. This can take the form of any melee weapon with which he is proficient. A gloomblade can have only one shadow weapon in existence at a time; creating a new shadow weapon causes an existing shadow weapon to vanish. At 3rd level, the shadow weapon acts as a magic weapon with a +1 enhancement bonus; this bonus increases by 1 for every 4 levels a gloomblade has beyond 2nd, to a maximum enhancement bonus of +5 at 18th level.

Improvisational Focus wrote:

Benefit: You gain a +1 bonus on attack rolls you make using an improvised weapon. You are considered proficient with the improvised weapon and are considered to have Weapon Focus with improvised weapons for the purpose of meeting the prerequisites of feats that specifically select a weapon, such as Weapon Specialization.

[willuwontu]

Gloomblade wrote:

Shadow Weapon (Su): A gloomblade can create a shadowy weapon in a free hand as a move action. This can take the form of any melee weapon with which he is proficient. A gloomblade can have only one shadow weapon in existence at a time; creating a new shadow weapon causes an existing shadow weapon to vanish. At 3rd level, the shadow weapon acts as a magic weapon with a +1 enhancement bonus; this bonus increases by 1 for every 4 levels a gloomblade has beyond 2nd, to a maximum enhancement bonus of +5 at 18th level.

Improvisational Focus wrote:

You gain a +1 bonus on attack rolls you make using an improvised weapon. You are considered proficient with the improvised weapon and are considered to have Weapon Focus with improvised weapons for the purpose of meeting the prerequisites of feats that specifically select a weapon, such as Weapon Specialization.

You can make weapons you are proficient with. You are proficient with improvised weapons. Therefore, you can make improvised weapons.

[Greg Tulips]

That's what I was leaning towards as well, I just figured I would check, since its a bit odd being able to make a wide variety of tools that explicitly can be used as improvised weapons.

[vhok]

You are not proficient with improvised weapons that only gives you a single improvised weapon not all of them

[Pan, definitely not a Kitsune]

By a strickt reading - it doesn't actually make you proficient with all improvised weapons, it only makes you count as proficient with whatever improvised weapon you're wielding. So, you're not proficient unless you already have it in hand.

That being said, by a strickt reading, the Weapon Proficiency feats don't give you proficiency either, they just remove penalties for non-proficiency, so I wouldn't recommend using a strict reading in either case.

[Temperans]

If the GM says it doesn't work, you can still grab it for the Weapon Focus (improvised weapons) effect and take a 2 level dip into Hinyasi Brawler. Not only will you get proficiency in all improvised weapons, but thx to Martial Flexibility you can even improvise which feats you have as needed.

[Melkiador]

You can use a weapon as an improvised weapon. So just make a gloomblade sword and use it as an improvised weapon that has the stats of a club.

[deuxhero]

Note that both Shadow Weapon and Gloves of Improvised Might are the same bonus type, they don't stack.

[Temperans]

You might still be able to use the gloves for the weapon enchantments, similar to Deliquescent Gloves. Not sure if gloomblades only get a +5 limit or the ability only gives a max of +5.

[maouse33]

The first problem: It makes you proficient with AN / A improvised weapon. NOT all improvised weapons.

But yes, you can make shadowy versions of that weapon over and over. But only one per feat you've spent.

(ps. the sledge + shikigami tree + this is quite nice)

[Java Man]

Two years....

[Diego Rossi]

Two year later, but:

CRB wrote:

Improvised Weapons: Sometimes objects not crafted to

be weapons nonetheless see use in combat.

and

Quote:

Shadow Weapon (Su): A gloomblade can create a shadowy weapon in a free hand as a move action. This can take the form of any melee weapon with which he is proficient.

The improvised weapon is a weapon only while wielded. Before that, it isn't a weapon. Shadow Weapon conjures a weapon, not a stool, a broom, a broken bottle, or whatever you want to use as an improvised weapon.

As a GM I wouldn't allow a character to use Shadow Weapon to create an improvised weapon.

BTW: I can be mistaken, but the A/AN text doesn't matter, at most it stops you from wielding two improvised weapons at the same time. There is no text about selecting a specific item to use as an improvised weapon.
It even says:

Quote:

You ... are considered to have Weapon Focus with improvised weapons

Weapons, plural.