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I'm not sure where else to ask this. I've searched the GenCon website and thought maybe where would be knowledgeable people to ask.
Normally there's a large PFS event on Saturday evening of GenCon. I don't see ANY PFS events listed for Saturday after 2pm.
https://www.gencon.com/event_finder?day=4&game=Pathfinder&host=Paiz o+Inc.
What am I missing? I would have thought that they would be posted by now as event reg is in a bit less than 48 hours.
Thanks,
Kizan
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i did same. it is a starfinder interactive
Hmmm, thanks for the info. Was there a post about this somewhere? I'm not really a big Star Finder fan. Seems like on the other nights when there are big PFS specials they have a few other scheduled non-PFS events running for people that are PFS fans. Bummer, I guess I'll either pickup a pre-gen and pay to play something that I'm not interested in or go home early. I'll have a look around maybe I can pick up True Dungeon then.
Thanks,
Kizan
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Seems like on the other nights when there are big PFS specials they have a few other scheduled non-PFS events running for people that are PFS fans.
The only event that isn't the PFS RPG interactive on Thursday night and Friday night is the ACG portion of the PFS interactive.
I'm actually surprised there isn't alternative programming on Saturday with the SFS interactive since the PFS interactive is currently 1500 slots while the SFS one is only currently 840 slots.
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Seems like on the other nights when there are big PFS specials they have a few other scheduled non-PFS events running for people that are PFS fans.The only event that isn't the PFS RPG interactive on Thursday night and Friday night is the ACG portion of the PFS interactive.
I'm actually surprised there isn't alternative programming on Saturday with the SFS interactive since the PFS interactive is currently 1500 slots while the SFS one is only currently 840 slots.
Solstice Scar C has 750 total tickets offerred.
Hao Jin Cataclysm has 900 with another 40 for ACG.Perhaps they'll add tickets later, but currently the SFS Special is in the same ballpark with both PFS Specials.
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Yeah, it'a a pretty big bummer to have ZERO offerings from the flagship game on the last night of the con. It's not very fun to be force fed Starfinder as the only Paizo offering that night. Especially two years in a row. My two cents.
I'm not sure what you mean by 2 years in a row.
Last year the SFS Special was on Thursday. I played 8-25 Unleashing the Untouchable during that time slot after the SFS sold out before I could get through my wish list.|
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I would like to echo others in their surprise and dissatisfaction of the complete lack of PFS games for an entire slot. My son and I are not interested in Starfinder and will have nothing else to do during this time that Paizo is offering. We may end up going to WotC's area to play some M:TG.
What is surprising to me is that there are likely several in the same position and Paizo isn't likely to fill their room with Starfinder only during that slot. So, what? They are just going to turn a blind eye to their loyal PFS following for an entire slot? Tell them that there is nothing for them to do here unless they want to try Starfinder? If so I can understand the "shove down our throats" comment above.
Is it too late to possibly open up some PFS events during that slot? Several of the scenarios we wanted to play are already full the day after registration was opened. It seems like a good time to open up a few more of those tables. Hell, I would even offer to run one if needed.
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Last year's two PFS interact specials both took up the entire Sagamore Ballroom and I am sure this year's two will do the same. So why is it surprising they would claim the entire ballroom for the SFS interactive special (last year's SFS special wasn't an interactive)?
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I would like to echo others in their surprise and dissatisfaction of the complete lack of PFS games for an entire slot. My son and I are not interested in Starfinder and will have nothing else to do during this time that Paizo is offering. We may end up going to WotC's area to play some M:TG.
What is surprising to me is that there are likely several in the same position and Paizo isn't likely to fill their room with Starfinder only during that slot. So, what? They are just going to turn a blind eye to their loyal PFS following for an entire slot? Tell them that there is nothing for them to do here unless they want to try Starfinder? If so I can understand the "shove down our throats" comment above.
Is it too late to possibly open up some PFS events during that slot? Several of the scenarios we wanted to play are already full the day after registration was opened. It seems like a good time to open up a few more of those tables. Hell, I would even offer to run one if needed.
So PFS gets the entire Sagamore Ballroom for Thursday and Friday night with no SFS being offered during these slots and you can't handle SFS getting to do this once? You do realize some people play SFS but not PFS, right? That these people are probably annoyed they can't play SFS for two nights rather than just PFS's one?
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And, BTW, for the record, current ticket sales are:
PFS Solstice Scar, Ver C, Thursday Night: 548 tickets sold
PFS The Hao Jin Cataclysm, Friday Night: 842 tickets sold
SFS Invasion of the Scoured Stars, Saturday Night: 580 tickets sold
Looks like the SFS Special warrants the Sagamore Ballroom at least as much as the Solstice Scar, Rev C.
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Yeah, it'a a pretty big bummer to have ZERO offerings from the flagship game on the last night of the con. It's not very fun to be force fed Starfinder as the only Paizo offering that night. Especially two years in a row. My two cents.
It's a pretty big bummer to have ZERO offerings from one of the games on two nights of the con. It's not very fun to be force fed Pathfinder as the only Paizo offering that night. Especially two years in a row.
I would like to echo others in their surprise and dissatisfaction of the complete lack of PFS games for an entire slot. My son and I are not interested in Starfinder and will have nothing else to do during this time that Paizo is offeringWhat is surprising to me is that there are likely several in the same position and Paizo isn't likely to fill their room with Starfinder only during that slot. So, what? They are just going to turn a blind eye to their loyal PFS following for an entire slot? Tell them that there is nothing for them to do here unless they want to try Starfinder? If so I can understand the "shove down our throats" comment above.
I would like to echo others in their surprise and dissatisfaction of the complete lack of SFS games for two entire slots. I am not interested in Pathfinder and will have nothing else to do during this time that Paizo is offering.
What is surprising to me is that there are likely several in the same position and Paizo isnt likely to fill their room with Pathfinder only during that slot. So, what? They are just going to turn a blind eye to their loyal SFS following for two entire slots? Tell them that there is nothing for them to do here unless they want to try Pathfinder? If so I can understand the "shove down throats" comment above.
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Yeah, it'a a pretty big bummer to have ZERO offerings from the flagship game on the last night of the con. It's not very fun to be force fed Starfinder as the only Paizo offering that night. Especially two years in a row. My two cents.It's a pretty big bummer to have ZERO offerings from one of the games on two nights of the con. It's not very fun to be force fed Pathfinder as the only Paizo offering that night. Especially two years in a row.
False equivalence. Pathfinder is the flagship product of the company, and makes up a large majority of their business. Starfinder isn't.
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False equivalence. Pathfinder is the flagship product of the company, and makes up a large majority of their business. Starfinder isn't.
With the move to 2 adventures a month and monthly ap and based on icv2 and website listings i don't know that you can make such a claim, i.e. large majority of their business, and this will certainly not be true in the upcoming year with the pf2 playtest ongoing.
It's pretty galling to see such disdain for one of a companies major products that you can't even handle one night of a con being exclusively dedicated to it when the other product gets 2 nights of the con exclusively dedicated to it, especially considering that the sfs special is selling equally well to the scenario on one of those nights.
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Yeah, it'a a pretty big bummer to have ZERO offerings from the flagship game on the last night of the con. It's not very fun to be force fed Starfinder as the only Paizo offering that night. Especially two years in a row. My two cents.It's a pretty big bummer to have ZERO offerings from one of the games on two nights of the con. It's not very fun to be force fed Pathfinder as the only Paizo offering that night. Especially two years in a row.
False equivalence. Pathfinder is the flagship product of the company, and makes up a large majority of their business. Starfinder isn't.
True, but Starfinder is meant to hold the company up during the transition period between Pathfinder editions, so they would be foolish not to heavily support it over the next year.
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Is this a new drinking game? Should I take a drink every time someone complains that one system is getting favorable treatment? Or if someone does not like one system?
Oh Heck, I will just take a drink!
/sarcasm off
I can this getting out of hand quickly. Please try not let it...
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Is this a new drinking game? Should I take a drink every time someone complains that one system is getting favorable treatment? Or if someone does not like one system?
Oh Heck, I will just take a drink!
/sarcasm offI can this getting out of hand quickly. Please try not let it...
That's just the sort of crazy thinking I would expect from someone with both GM Stars and Novas. No sense of loyalty. Don't you know that (insert my current favorite game) is and always will be the best? How dare you try to be reasonable, Sir!
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Whoa, guys, whoa!
I enjoy both Starfinder and Pathfinder. The two systems are far more alike than they are different, and our society’s cultures both have the mantra: Explore! Cooperate! Report!
So, let’s all take a deep breath here. The great news is that we’re all passionate about the games we love in Organized Play, and we’ll all get plenty of chances to enjoy our favorite games at GenCon.
Back to Specials.
GenCon is offering up three different Specials. All three interactives are going to wind up taking over the Sagamore Ballroom, because they will sell out. They’re wild and crazy events that GenCon attendees sign up for in droves. And even if there were unoccupied tables available in the Sagamore, when an interactive is going on, it would be noisy and distracting for other games. You don’t want to do PFS in the Sag on Saturday night, because all you will be able to hear is overseer announcements and sound effects from the SFS special.
If you don’t want to do one of the Specials, skip it that night, or organize an alternative game on Warhorn. In fact, I would love it if that’s what you all decided to do. Create your own mini-event, and have fun!
There is room in Organized Play for both fandoms! Don’t harsh the squee!
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False equivalence. Pathfinder is the flagship product of the company, and makes up a large majority of their business. Starfinder isn't.
With the move to 2 adventures a month and monthly ap and based on icv2 and website listings i don't know that you can make such a claim, i.e. large majority of their business, and this will certainly not be true in the upcoming year with the pf2 playtest ongoing.
It's pretty galling to see such disdain for one of a companies major products that you can't even handle one night of a con being exclusively dedicated to it when the other product gets 2 nights of the con exclusively dedicated to it, especially considering that the sfs special is selling equally well to the scenario on one of those nights.
I'd just like to point out that I was only pointing out the logical fallacy of your argument, but that doesn't mean I was taking sides.
I don't have a problem with the Paizo schedule the way it is. As Hillary said, the big specials are so noisy that they MUST use the entire Sagamore, because it would be challenging to play anything else in that room at the same time. Pathfinder gets two of them and Starfinder gets one, based on their relative popularity and importance to Paizo. It makes perfect sense.
And personally, I'll only be in the Sagamore for two sessions the entire weekend this year - the Friday night Pathfinder special and a regular Pathfinder game Thursday afternoon. I have other plans for much of the convention, though depending on how late I stay up Saturday night, I might consider wandering into the Sagamore Sunday morning with generic tickets to see what PFS game I can sneak into. And despite being a 4 star GM, I don't like spending my vacations "working", so I've never GMed more than 4 sessions at Gen Con. This year, I won't be GMing at all.
For those who are complaining that you don't have anything to do in the evening when a special is going on for the game you don't play, I highly recommend trying True Dungeon. It doesn't matter if you Starfinder fans aren't a fan of the medieval fantasy/Pathfinder/D&D genre - the experience is worth it, anyway. Those tickets are expensive though, so if you don't want to spend that much, I'll recommend Upper Deck's Marvel Legendary deck building game that I've gotten into lately. You can get into a beginner/intro game of that for only $4.
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I'd just like to point out that I was only pointing out the logical fallacy of your argument, but that doesn't mean I was taking sides.
Do you have any actual evidence that it is a logical fallacy though? You seem to think pathfinder makes up the large majority of paizos business but you offer zero evidence to show that that is actually true. As they say anything asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence which is exactly what I'm doing with your claim of a logical fallacy.
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Do you have any actual evidence that it is a logical fallacy though? You seem to think pathfinder makes up the large majority of paizos business but you offer zero evidence to show that that is actually true. As they say anything asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence which is exactly what I'm doing with your claim of a logical fallacy.
I'd just like to point out that I was only pointing out the logical fallacy of your argument, but that doesn't mean I was taking sides.
I doubt Fromper has access to Paizo sales figures to satisfy this demand, but it is a reasonable assumption. Pathfinder has been around for 9 years and has grown a sizable fan base and huge product selection. Starfinder has been around for less that a year and has far less product available.* So it is highly unlikely, at this stage, that it matches or beats Pathfinder's revenue stream.
* WHERE ARE MY STARFINDER MINIS, PAIZO!!!!
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I doubt Fromper has access to Paizo sales figures to satisfy this demand, but it is a reasonable assumption. Pathfinder has been around for 9 years and has grown a sizable fan base and huge product selection. Starfinder has been around for less that a year and has far less product available.* So it is highly unlikely, at this stage, that it matches or beats Pathfinder's revenue stream.
It's a reasonable assumption to declare that Pathfinder products outsell Starfinder products, it is not a reasonable assumption that Pathfinder makes up the large majority of Paizo's sales, not when Starfinder sold more copies in 6 hours than anything Paizo has brought to Gen Con in 10+ years. Not when the latest figures show that Starfinder is the third best selling roleplaying game in game shops behind D&D and Pathfinder.
Again, neither you, nor Fromper, have offered any actual evidence to back up the claim that Pathfinder represents the large majority of Paizo sales, and certainly no evidence that my saying that my equating of Starfinder Society and Pathfinder Society vis a vie specials at Gen Con is some sort of false equivalency due to widely desperate sales or popularity.
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So I found a 3rd party site that allows people to see the GenCon events and see how may tickets remain. Looking at the 3 specials, there are some interesting tidbits.
For 10-00, it is practically sold out. The only thing left is Tier 3-4.
For 8-99C, there are LOTS of tickets left. Most tiers are at about 60% sold. However, Tier 7-9 is almost sold out.
For 1-99, All tables for 1-2 are sold out. For tier 3-4, about 85% of tickets are sold. Tiers 5-6 and 7-8 are about 25% sold.
The higher level Starfinder scenarios have tickets available.
So from this, I would expect some shifting of tables around.
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I'm not surprised they have a lot of 8-99 tickets left. They are stretching it out too much, considering this isn't even the end. I've had at least 6 opportunities to play iterations of it so far, and used a replay to play it 3 times (2xA, 1xB) already, since almost every con seems to be offering it.
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I too am quite disappointed that there is no PFS on Saturday evening. I am GMing 8 sessions, and Saturday afternoon (completely sold out), and Saturday evening (only SFS) are my only free slots. Looks like I will save 10-12 dollars and find a pick up PFS game somewhere. I have played SFS once with a pre-gen, and while I could do it again it was not that much fun, especially not knowing the rules and abilities, makes the game less interesting for me, and personally, I think that it would be quite annoying for other players at the table if I was continuously asking questions about the pre-gen.
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What about playing a few sessions of Starfinder between now and then (2-1/2 months)? Not only could you have a PC up to level 2 by then, but also have general experience with the rules. Just saying.
We are planning to add more tickets to all slots at the con so just because things are sold out now, doesn't mean they will stay that way. We would certainly prefer to add more tickets now, but unfortunately, we have a shortage of GMs and we would rather be cautious and not schedule tables we cannot reasonably expect to run. As more GMs step up, more tickets will be added.
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I understand the business reasons for the SFS special, but for me it is more of a time and interest thing. For me Starfinder is sort of like Gunslingers. Just not something that I am interested in. Also, I work over an hour from the nearest regular game. I get there every two weeks or so, but it is a haul with RL commitments, so when I get the chance, I usually prefer PFS. (I also usually GM as I am hoping to get my 3rd star during GenCon.)
I will watch for the opening tables. Also, if you are short on Saturday afternoon GMs and need to switch me to a Saturday afternoon slot, and give me a free slot on Thursday or Friday afternoon/evening, it would probably be much easier on my throat versus running 7 straight sessions as I am now.
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if you are short on Saturday afternoon GMs and need to switch me to a Saturday afternoon slot, and give me a free slot on Thursday or Friday afternoon/evening, it would probably be much easier on my throat versus running 7 straight sessions as I am now.
We are short in all slots so moving existing GMs does not gain anything. We need more GMs and/or existing GMs to take on more slots. Until that happens we cannot add more tickets.
No one is running more than three consecutive slots. That is simply not a schedule will will subject anyone too. Running three in a row and having a slot off the rest is fairly typical at GenCon especially for GMs who run 8 slots.
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if you are short on Saturday afternoon GMs and need to switch me to a Saturday afternoon slot, and give me a free slot on Thursday or Friday afternoon/evening, it would probably be much easier on my throat versus running 7 straight sessions as I am now.We are short in all slots so moving existing GMs does not gain anything. We need more GMs and/or existing GMs to take on more slots. Until that happens we cannot add more tickets.
No one is running more than three consecutive slots. That is simply not a schedule will will subject anyone too. Running three in a row and having a slot off the rest is fairly typical at GenCon especially for GMs who run 8 slots.
I don't consider the midnight sessions as sessions (too old for that foolishness), I know they run, but I only look at morning-afternoon-evening as the regular slots. I do have the Thursday and Friday midnight slots free to sleep.