Hi all,
Anyone have any good ways to slay a dragon as a Cleric? I've read Dex damage is key but not sure which spells a cleric has that can reliably take down an enemy's dex without hitting there Will or Fort saves first. Is there any way to get through the antimagic field? I would need my Vision of Madness (and other spell-like abilities) to land before I go to work on it.
Tips anyone?
You're looking for a rod of nettles.
Beware though, use of this item leads to anticlimatic fights.
Hmm, I thought I was looking for Dex drain spells that I have and also I'm wondering if my domain powers would work through an anti magic field.
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Well we would need to know your domains before we can tell you that! :) I see you have the Madness domain. Looking at the Vision of Madness power, it is list as (Sp) for Spell-Like Ability. Looking at the text for antimagic field, it specifically calls them out as being negated, so that ability will not work while in that field.
I'll see if I can scrounge up any dex debilitating cleric spells...
EDIT: My advanced spell search on the d20pfsrd site came up with some meh options that dealt piddling amounts of dex damage. Nothing with drain though.
Dex damage was key back in D&D 3.5, when the shivering touch spell existed. Not so much now.
If the dragon has an antimagic field I'd look at archery and buff spells to improve that. Touch spells are not going to work in that situation. At all. If it's your source severance that you were talking about before then you need to choose between it and touch spells. Ranged spells like chains of light (or terrible remorse - staggered even on a save is helpful vs. dragons) could still work though with source severance.
I'm getting rid of the witch for I have become bored of him and slumbering all my foes when the party is in danger. I have switched over to the Cleric now and indeed will be casting source severance and currently need to roll a 2 or more on a D20 to succeed in casting any spell. Wouldn't chains of light or terrible remorse just be stopped cold by the AMF? doesn't it stop everything? I don't know how this AMF works, I thought it stops everything magical from penetrating it.
from my understanding the enemy is still "held in place" but not paralyzed
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Thankfully dragons have notoriously low touch ac's.
Also, undead are unaffected by antimagic fields and nothing stops you from just unleashing your army of specifically engineered dex draining shadows on them.
Thankfully dragons have notoriously low touch ac's.
Also, undead are unaffected by antimagic fields and nothing stops you from just unleashing your army of specifically engineered dex draining shadows on them.
I like it, how do I summon these shadows? summon monster or?
If the dragon has an AMF it will stop spells cold, yes. I'm not clear whether it does or whether you're referring to your own source severance.
& Grandlounge is right & I was wrong, chains of light won't help.
Summon monster, even if you can get shadows would be problematic if the dragon has its own AMF. I guess if you channel negative energy you just need to find one, Pokemon it and feed it a few goblins or something. Assuming you're evil enough for that of course.
Ya I mean if it has its own AMF, am I completely useless? I guess I could buff my group.
Oh and would our barbarian be able to spell sunder the AMF?
You can still attempt to use Dispel Magic on the AMF
And yes, the barbarian can stand just outside the area of the AMF and use spell sunder on it.
Shivering Touch may be gone, but Calcific Touch is pretty excellent as a spiritual successor. Clerics can't get it unfortunately, but the Dex damage part of it is no-save, so a staff or even just some scrolls of it might be a worthwhile investment.
Not sure if a scroll of calcific touch would do much since SR still applies and a dragons SR is no joke.
Not sure if a scroll of calcific touch would do much since SR still applies and a dragons SR is no joke.
For SR, Sure Casting is a 1st-Level Cleric spell. Not entirely sure if it applies on scrolls, but it will help with SR in general.
There are a few Cleric spells that impose Dex penalties, but for outright Dex damage there is Fleshworm Infestation (beware: Evil spell and relies on a Fort save, though it doesn't end if the target makes the save, meaning you might eventually get lucky).There are only a few Cleric spells that target Reflex, and most of them are high level and allow SR.
My advanced spell search on the d20pfsrd site came up with some meh options that dealt piddling amounts of dex damage. Nothing with drain though.
Archives of Nethys has (appropriately, considering the name) a better spell database than d20pfsrd. Unfortunately, this doesn't change the fact that Clerics just don't usually target Reflex saves or deal Dex damage.
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Ya I mean if it has its own AMF, am I completely useless? I guess I could buff my group.
Oh and would our barbarian be able to spell sunder the AMF?
If there's an AMF buffs won't help unless it's on a ranged person maybe. A barb that walks into the AMF will lose all their magical gear increases and any spells buffing them inside of it.
If there's an AMF buffs won't help unless it's on a ranged person maybe. A barb that walks into the AMF will lose all their magical gear increases and any spells buffing them inside of it.Ya I mean if it has its own AMF, am I completely useless? I guess I could buff my group.
Oh and would our barbarian be able to spell sunder the AMF?
Honestly, there's no point in worrying "oh, but if there's an Anti-Magic Field..." because at that point either the GM figures you can take it out without magic, there's a way to accomplish the goal without actually taking the dragon down, or the GM is a jerk and wants you to die.
Honestly, there's no point in worrying "oh, but if there's an Anti-Magic Field..." because at that point either the GM figures you can take it out without magic, there's a way to accomplish the goal without actually taking the dragon down, or the GM is a jerk and wants you to die.If there's an AMF buffs won't help unless it's on a ranged person maybe. A barb that walks into the AMF will lose all their magical gear increases and any spells buffing them inside of it.Ya I mean if it has its own AMF, am I completely useless? I guess I could buff my group.
Oh and would our barbarian be able to spell sunder the AMF?
Or you're not meant to fight the dragon.
Or you're not meant to fight the dragon.Honestly, there's no point in worrying "oh, but if there's an Anti-Magic Field..." because at that point either the GM figures you can take it out without magic, there's a way to accomplish the goal without actually taking the dragon down, or the GM is a jerk and wants you to die.If there's an AMF buffs won't help unless it's on a ranged person maybe. A barb that walks into the AMF will lose all their magical gear increases and any spells buffing them inside of it.Ya I mean if it has its own AMF, am I completely useless? I guess I could buff my group.
Oh and would our barbarian be able to spell sunder the AMF?
I'd think that's covered by the second option I mentioned: "there's a way to accomplish the goal without actually taking the dragon down".
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I like it, how do I summon these shadows? summon monster or?Thankfully dragons have notoriously low touch ac's.
Also, undead are unaffected by antimagic fields and nothing stops you from just unleashing your army of specifically engineered dex draining shadows on them.
Greater Create Undead.
Sadly the shadows in question will have to bend knee to your awesome might first. But a single shadow can create many lesser spawns who can be commanded through your dominance of the prime. They do strength damage but a sadly non-magical dragons attacks do little before your dark power.
Take your subordinate incorporeal dragon shadow to your god as tribute.