Making every race a Class n 2.0


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Sometimes you want to play an elf, and you don't necessarily see him as a ranger or wizard or rogue, but as a distinctly elfy concept. Some stealth, skill with a bow, a touch of arcane magic.

Sometimes you want to play half orc but none of the classes convey the level of brutality inherent in orc warfare.

Sometimes you want to be a dwarf who holds the line like a stalwart defender from level one, shrugs off magical attacks and can do unique things with axes, hammers and shields.

Basically I think the idea of a generic class or easy access prestige class for every race would be really fun.


I feel it's a nice option, similar to racial paragon classes of Rite Publishing series In the Company of..., but I don't think it's stuff for CRB

EDIT..also we have to see how much impact your race has in PF2 through higher levels 'cause it looks like more than PF1.


I think they are making ancestries be a bit like that, by offering new ancestry feats to take at higher levels. Its not a class, but it is an option to become a more orcish orc at higher levels.


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I'd prefer that instead of blowing feats on it, it would be nice if every race had an automatic progression parallel to its class.

Edition after edition you hear this concept come up of race becoming such a minuscule part of the character that its becomes basically pointless at higher levels. But instead of really adressing the issue, everyone just adds racial feats, which take away from your other character building resources so your character can be... a bit more of their race than anyone else?


Threeshades wrote:

I'd prefer that instead of blowing feats on it, it would be nice if every race had an automatic progression parallel to its class.

Edition after edition you hear this concept come up of race becoming such a minuscule part of the character that its becomes basically pointless at higher levels. But instead of really adressing the issue, everyone just adds racial feats, which take away from your other character building resources so your character can be... a bit more of their race than anyone else?

That's what's different here, I believe. You don't give up anything. This is speculation, but I'm betting that you get progressions of skill and ancestry feats entirely separate from your every-two-levels class feats.

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Then what would the potential human class look like?

Actually, I'm already okay with favoured class benefits for class by race. Ancestry might relate to that, so I'll most likely be fine with that as well. Dwarf fighters being good with hammers, sure. Halfling who was raised by dwarves being good with hammers as a fighter? Also: sure!


Paizo regards the Favoured Class benefits from race as a mistake for some reason, so they probably won't make it interact with class directly. I'm guessing that the new system will still make obvious optimization choices just like FCB, though.
Also, they're confusingly calling EVERYTHING feats in PF2, so you don't necessarily have to spend anything to get them.
Human? No, no, Paizo doesn't do just Human. They do Human and Human and Human and Human and Human and Human and Human and Human and Human and Human.

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