Why such poor editing in Paizo products.


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CrystalSeas wrote:
Pendants shouldn't be thrown in glass houses

Pedants are another story tho


Ryan Freire wrote:
CrystalSeas wrote:
Pendants shouldn't be thrown in glass houses
Pedants are another story tho

Put that halfling down!!!


CrystalSeas wrote:
Ryan Freire wrote:
CrystalSeas wrote:
Pendants shouldn't be thrown in glass houses
Pedants are another story tho
Put that halfling down!!!

Halfling tossing is part of orcish culture.

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The Thing From Another World wrote:
Typical of this forum. Some can't handle criticism of any kind concerning Paizo and resorting to personal ad homein attacks. Color me surprised.

People generally will respond better to critique than criticism.


Wait, we're having our own culture war here. Who let the orcs in?


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A point of perspective.

I'm an author, though not primarily of game material (I have a single adventure through Adventure a Week, and am unlikely to write another in the future). In the last year I published four novels, and am about to publish a fifth, and since I'm a self-publisher, I have to deal with all the editing involved.

I do five separate editing passes for the book, plus hiring a professional editor to catch mistakes. Two of these passes, I get alpha and beta readers to go through the book looking for errors, about five people for each of these. One of the passes, I go so far as to ready every single line of text aloud to catch more errors. So if you include those, and the editor, there are 16 editing passes over the book.

I still get errors that are missed. I still look at it a week later and groan at problems that manage to get through. It simply happens, no matter how many people are involved, how many editors you hire. Worse, Paizo's products are immensely more complicated than my novels are. There are more moving parts, and more people interacting with them. And don't forget, they have to get the books out in a timely fashion in order to keep running. I'm quite certain their profit margin is much worse than my own.

Now, all that being said, do I think Paizo could do better on editing? Yes. I've noticed more errors in general in the last few books, especially in the Advanced Class Guide, than in the earlier books. But they've tried to fix that, and they've pretty much said they're still trying. But perfection will never happen. It's simply not possible in a timeframe where the business remains profitable.


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"let" the orcs in.


Except my complaints were with editing errors in general. I did not make personal attacks on the devs writing ability. I get the desire to defend Paizo I can respect that. One can do that without personal attacks imo.


Huh, I thought I'd read this thread before.

Although it's been almost seven years, I presume that the responses of the Paizo staffers in that thread are still largely relevant to the issue at hand.

Edited, 'cause I found another one from eight years ago with more staff replies.

Grand Lodge

The Thing From Another World wrote:
Except my complaints were with editing errors in general. I did not make personal attacks on the devs writing ability. I get the desire to defend Paizo I can respect that. One can do that without personal attacks imo.

Literally no one here is talking about "personal attacks" other than you and certainly no one is making them.

You're being poked fun at because you made claims such as "smaller rpg companies with less people and resources do a better job editing their books", and had no evidence to back it up.

And actually I take it back. One person did make a personal attack against several people:

The Thing From Another World wrote:
Typical of this forum. Some can't handle criticism of any kind concerning Paizo and resorting to personal ad homein attacks. Color me surprised.

It's ad hominem btw :)


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The Thing From Another World wrote:
I get the desire to defend Paizo I can respect that. One can do that without personal attacks imo.

Accusing anyone who disagrees with you of being motivated by blind loyalty is, of course, the height of decency, and in no way itself a personal attack.

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Starting baiting threads on holiday weekends is not cool. If you want to bring up subjects like this you need to find a less antagonistic way of doing so. To everyone else, either respond without grar or flag it and move on..

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I suspended a couple accounts. Usually we try to send an email to let you know but I'm not able to do that at the moment. So if you find you can't post for the next day, that's why.

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